Dear Glen, you have to be joking. Liverppol has an Aircraft assembly Zone overhead, a Heavy Freight Rail Line under construction, an International Inland Port next to Casula and the Georges river, an Intermodal Terminal Proposed between Casula and Wattle Grove, Air Traffic fom an Army Base and the backwash from Sydney Airport, not to Mention the M5 Motorway and a plethora of arterial roads. PEACE is a falorn hope for the district with the representation results we endure under.

Dear Glen, you have to be joking. Liverppol has an Aircraft assembly Zone overhead, a Heavy Freight Rail Line under construction, an International Inland Port next to Casula and the Georges river, an Intermodal Terminal Proposed between Casula and Wattle Grove, Air Traffic fom an Army Base and the backwash from Sydney Airport, not to Mention the M5 Motorway and a plethora of arterial roads. PEACE is a falorn hope for the district with the representation results we endure under.

Dear Glen, you have to be joking. Liverppol has an Aircraft assembly Zone overhead, a Heavy Freight Rail Line under construction, an International Inland Port next to Casula and the Georges river, an Intermodal Terminal Proposed between Casula and Wattle Grove, Air Traffic fom an Army Base and the backwash from Sydney Airport, not to Mention the M5 Motorway and a plethora of arterial roads. PEACE is a falorn hope for the district with the representation results we endure under.

Dear Glen, you have to be joking. Liverppol has an Aircraft assembly Zone overhead, a Heavy Freight Rail Line under construction, an International Inland Port next to Casula and the Georges river, an Intermodal Terminal Proposed between Casula and Wattle Grove, Air Traffic fom an Army Base and the backwash from Sydney Airport, not to Mention the M5 Motorway and a plethora of arterial roads. PEACE is a falorn hope for the district with the representation results we endure under.

The 3-engine freight train noise level with the vibrations echoing through the homes now what noise levels will we experience once the freight line is up and running?The ball is being bounced from one Dept to another with no one accepting the consequences of noise levels being generated.3-engine freights are becoming more and more obvious as the major conductor along this rail line. We need assistance in getting MPs DOP to listen to HELP residents before the time limit expires.

Resident Protests for Noise Abatement from the Rail Component of the FREIGHT TSUNAMI is just the beginning. The Parks, including Helles, Light Horse even the much heralded Leacocks Regional Park are all to be affected along with the Georges river for it's length above the Wier. The CBD itself of Liverpool will also be affected without sufficient community information or debate prior to the project approval. Liverpool needs a QC and a High Court Challenge! Council must DO something!

The right of people to have decent living conditions at stake here. The destruction of the lifestyles of Liverpool folk for the " common good of the greater community" is not a valid excuse for this wholesale environmental vandalism. There are alternatives and Liverpool Residents need to speak out against the massive levels of FREIGHT PROJECTS underway or proposed for situation next to CASULA and the Georges River. WAKE UP LIVERPOOL, don't leave it until it is TOO LATE!

hello the army stores at moorebank will close next year.qeensland rail is purchasing 120 acres of the base for a container terminal for transhipping it goods between qld and vic as well as port btany.moorebank ave will become a nightmare road with bdoubles coming off the m5 on a monotonous basis.the right away for trains to the base still exits thinkabout

The Local members of Parliament must make a new year resolution to stand up to the mark and start make strong representations for the people in the area to ensure their quality of life doesmt deteriorate. duringRecent discussions with the artc they said they were working under the guidelines as set out by the dec which means that they have to discuss with local residents means to ensure that the readings if over the limits must be addressed and the proper noise mitigation installed.please act

Regds John, Hi Martin wellcome to the debate. The Queensland Rail Intermodal Proposal is different from the International Inland Port which is a Government Project. You point out that an existing rail spur off the East Hills Line could be used to service the Intermodal. The International Inland Port would be serviced however by the FREIGHT LINE. SO we have TWO huge Freight Proposals to contend with, rather than two alternative sites. The FREIGHT TSUNAMI Revealed. Think about THAT!

qld rail has allready spent there 300 million on there 10percent of the moorebank faciity, the game plan is a 3 to 5 year developement plan.rail corp has refused them access to the east hills line so the only allternate is to build a spur where the fly over goes over the existing line to come out near the army golf course.that line will not impact on any residence but the trucks will,the checques hav allready been put inthe bank

Hi Martin, Your info is Backwards, QLD rail are only a 10% partner in the project. Stocklands and Kaplan investments are the other partners on the smaller Intermodal Plan. However the INLAND INTERNATIONAL PORT is capable of immense affectation with MASSIVE CONTAINER STORAGE and distribution by trucks from the next to Casula and the Georges River Site. The Government wants a different focus so the Intermodal is another idea which provides cover for their aspired program. BOTH ARE A TRAVESTY!

Martin, Qld Rail has invested CIRCA $30m of $300m total value to secure it's position. Wattle Grove is worth about $500m CASULA about the same. It seems a strange way to make a quid to me! Such a massive sequence of affective developments would certainly affect property values I think, what say you!

Just a little more. The TWO big Freight Terminals will cause havoc for Casula, because they already are getting the FREIGHT LINE. Traffic of trains will need to be masssive to cater for not only pass through units but Terminal transfers as well. NOISE BARRIERS ALONE will NOT protect against the POLLUTION, TRUCK TRAFFIC, LIGHTSPILL from the GIANT SITE LIGHTING and OPERATIONS ON THE SITES including heavy machinery movements, cranes, etc etc etc. Frankly the schemes are not wanted here.

The first time the government does something positive to help these residents I will ring up the relevant Local member and congratulate them for improving the lot of these residents who have been left in limbo for a long time about this freightline.Surely the elected Parliamentary members have a obligation to help these people in protecting the safety and health of these residents 98258709 mob.0409368603

the artc has been very slow to acknowledge the health aspects of this freightline and it seems their first consideration seems to ensure the project is to be built on their budget irrespective to the health problems it is going to cause to local residents who seem destined for their families to suffer third world conditions.With The money the governments are throwing around to stimulate the economy you would think some finance could be found to rectify these injustices.Lets act time is a essence

the artc has been very slow to acknowledge the health aspects of this freightline and it seems their first consideration seems to ensure the project is to be built on their budget irrespective to the health problems it is going to cause to local residents who seem destined for their families to suffer third world conditions.With The money the governments are throwing around to stimulate the economy you would think some finance could be found to rectify these injustices.Lets act time is a essence

i lived right near enfield marshalling yards till i was 22 yes u here the noises when they bring carriages together,yes u can here the trains moving along the tracks the train whistle and horns and enfield is but a shade of itself now,would you like to live at eastwood where u can here trains all nite pulling up the grade ,i can here the trains here in casula,mabye this is what we hav to pay for progress or should we get the artc to sound proof all th homes not a bad option.

The Enfield Marshalling Yards existed way back Martin so the people living around Enfield were always going to experience progressive growth of rail facilities. The Military Lands however are not the same and the introduction of Marshalling Yards on that area brings a whole new situation to confront the District Community. The schemes are too potentially disadvantageous with so many genuine environmental drawbacks. Liverpool has not been consulted effectively, about the future of the region.

Dear Glen, only just read your post and agree you must pursue sound barriers as a priority right now. However I am putting into context the big picture so you guys can appreciate the awful fate that has been quietly hatching in the wings. The truth is that Liverpool is in for a really hard time. I have done my best to unearth the facts and now you are at least aware. The Governments are not acting in the best interests of the environment of Liverpool, lets try to change their attitude.

Sound proofing doesnt work. I have an issue with the M5 overpass and I live far from it. I have doubleglazed all my windows yet I am still kept late at night as one can see because of trucks. Like I said not even close. I do not know how the others cope with both rail and M5. I have a friend that lives in Cecil Hills and their noise barriers are beautiful you cannot even hear the M7. Yet did you see our barriers some pissy 2mtr ones if that. Dont fall for the double glazing it doesnt work.

Sound proofing doesnt work. I have an issue with the M5 overpass and I live far from it. I have doubleglazed all my windows yet I am still kept late at night as one can see because of trucks. Like I said not even close. I do not know how the others cope with both rail and M5. I have a friend that lives in Cecil Hills and their noise barriers are beautiful you cannot even hear the M7. Yet did you see our barriers some pissy 2mtr ones if that. Dont fall for the double glazing it doesnt work.

Also I am tired of being brainwashed by pollies and the rest about trucks off the road re: this weeks article in the Champion... obviously the poor lady too was brainwashed:) Who takes the stuff off the containers?? Like I said elves... Some-one please educate the public

Liverpool residents are surely getting shafted. The construction of this new frieght line will not affect the amount of trucks on the road, what it will do is increase the amount of noise & air pollution to the Liverpool area. We need noise barriers for quality of life, the noise is already too high as stated by artc and now they want to increase the frequency. As residents along this corridor we need to stand and fight, we want noise barriers NOW.

I note that the environment minister has delayed a pulp mill in Tasmania pending further environmental studies.Why dont the Federal Government do a similiar thing in the Liverpool council area and see the environmental effects on local residents Isnt this double standards.Surely the freight line for the artc could be delayed pending further studies this monitoring situation is absurd

Much of the noise issue will come down to the use of inappropriate noise barriers, concrete sleepers, and old locomotives. Technology exists for barriers that would help to absorb the noise rather than bounce it around (as it will with the current plans), and for composite sleepers that are not as noisy as the concrete ones, but the cost will surely rule them out. There will also be heavy particulate pollution from the use of old diesel engines. Not hearing much from the State ALP Govt.

Can you elaborate??? What kind of technology

Hi Dara. As I understand specifications for walls where they are currently proposed, they will be noise 'baffeling' rather than noise 'absorbing'. While any type of wall will have other effects (such as airflow change and aesthetic impact), the ideal is to have one that minimises noise (http://whisper-wall.com/). There are also synthetic sleepers and sythetic ballast solutions in use overseas to reduce noise from moving stock. All of these are expensive, but cheaper now than refitting later.

Hi Dara. As I understand specifications for walls where they are currently proposed, they will be noise 'baffeling' rather than noise 'absorbing'. While any type of wall will have other effects (such as airflow change and aesthetic impact), the ideal is to have one that minimises noise (http://whisper-wall.com/). There are also synthetic sleepers and sythetic ballast solutions in use overseas to reduce noise from moving stock. All of these are expensive, but cheaper now than refitting later.

Hi Dara. As I understand specifications for walls where they are currently proposed, they will be noise 'baffeling' rather than noise 'absorbing'. While any type of wall will have other effects (such as airflow change and aesthetic impact), the ideal is to have one that minimises noise (http://whisper-wall.com/). There are also synthetic sleepers and sythetic ballast solutions in use overseas to reduce noise from moving stock. All of these are expensive, but cheaper now than refitting later.

Liverpool Council,the Local and Federal representatives are of the opinion that these freight lines will provide about 200 local jobs. This is their most common response. None have responded to concerns of poor local roads or already conjested M7 and Hume highway feeder roads.Liverpool is a Labour safe seat and they seem to show the attitude that they can do whatever they like. No-one seems to care about the locals. All have their own agends and stuff any problems. Its a Safe Labour Seat

Liverpool Council,the Local and Federal representatives are of the opinion that these freight lines will provide about 200 local jobs. This is their most common response. None have responded to concerns of poor local roads or already conjested M7 and Hume highway feeder roads.Liverpool is a Labour safe seat and they seem to show the attitude that they can do whatever they like. No-one seems to care about the locals. All have their own agends and stuff any problems. Its a Safe Labour Seat

without any notice to the residents Railcorp has began railworks in the Liverpool area. Loud track work was noticed on Friday night at 8:30pm with machinery reversing beepers and squeeling noise of the tracks being dragged. On saturday the 3/1 work began at 7:15am with noise trucks and workers, too early. On sunday the 4/1 work began at 7:35am with noise trucks and workmen, again TOO EARLY. Come on RAILCORP fair go to us residents.

Last night, 8th jan, track work started at 9pm behind my house. Railcorps sleeper and rail track installer began with a huge amount of noise, we also had flashing lights,horns beeping,workmen yelling and other loud bangs and crashes.With the machine slowly moving down the line I could finally fall asleep at12:45am a great time especially when I'm up for work at 4 am.Thankyou so much Railcorp for your consideration to us residents.I have made complaints but still no answers from DECC or railcorp

Okay, so the freight line is being built with the same level of sophisticated construction as a BUSH RAILWAY! One would think that inserting new, critical infrastructure into an already populated area would involve careful and sensitive attention to the concerns of the population. However this is apparently not the mindset of the governments. If a private developer attempted such a half baked venture then government would be all over them like a rash. ENVIRONMENTAL VANDALISM by THE GOVERNMENT.

Okay, so the freight line is being built with the same level of sophisticated construction as a BUSH RAILWAY! One would think that inserting new, critical infrastructure into an already populated area would involve careful and sensitive attention to the concerns of the population. However this is apparently not the mindset of the governments. If a private developer attempted such a half baked venture then government would be all over them like a rash. ENVIRONMENTAL VANDALISM by THE GOVERNMENT.

Okay, so the freight line is being built with the same level of sophisticated construction as a BUSH RAILWAY! One would think that inserting new, critical infrastructure into an already populated area would involve careful and sensitive attention to the concerns of the population. However this is apparently not the mindset of the governments. If a private developer attempted such a half baked venture then government would be all over them like a rash. ENVIRONMENTAL VANDALISM by THE GOVERNMENT.

the Dec has a statutory responsibility to regulate noise that is going to effect local .In the ARTC freightline case they have a licence with the epa and it is safe to assume they should be enforcing the noise limits on Railcorp and the ARTC.Is it because they think residents will tolerate this treatment it is about time they become more diligent in their statutory oblogations john 0409368603,98258709

I have just come across an email stating that Railcorp working hrs are between 6am -6 pm yet they have been working at 2 am in the morning. Also the community liasion members were not notified that testing was to be conducted on the 16th DEC why have we a community Liason group.This is negligence upon Railcorp DECC and ARTC The Casula residents will be seeking Legal advice anyone interested in representing us we have all the dialogue please call the above John Anderson Liverpool Action Group.

I am a resident affected by the loud construction noise that has been going all hours of the day and night due to Railcorp construction. I have called Railcorp numerous times to complain about the LOUD noise at all hours and they keep telling me that they have permission to do so. I a taking the above comments in relation to Railcorp work hours VERY SERIOUSLY- this is negligence as I have been sleep deprived and stressed due to this loud construction noise- I will be seeking legal advise ASAP!!!

I also want to know why the hell ARTC did not advise the community liason offiers that noise testing would take place on 16 DEC, This is DISGUSTING to say the least, they knew that the community was on holidays for the festive season and they still carried out testing with out telling residents!! SHOCKING, DISHONEST people. On another note i want to add that for the past 6 weeks i have noticed that Freight trains have been slowing down even stopping when they come past my place.

I now understand why these trains have been slowing down- because testing was taking place. ARTC want to hide the following issues 1. That people in the area already suffer from loud noise from freight trains, the new freight line thru the community is going to make matters WORSE. 2. There is a serious issue with large dinosaur freight trains shaking homes and diesel creating pollution issue. 3. There is a need for NOISE BARRIERS TODAY! ARTC- NOISE BARRIERS OR LEGAL ACTION. No more lies

I contacted RAILCORP re changes to Freight Train Movements over the festive period and was told that less loads are transported around the end of the calender year. I imagine load capacities are also reduced so the "testing" may not yield a true reflection of the real noise levels that will have to be endured. The results may produce a statistical anomaly. ( making ARTC figures, justified). That does not count of course train speed reductions at test point which would corrupt the test results.

i Sympathise with residents as the trouble with railcorp seems a forerunner of things to come.ARTC have a licence with DEC and epa and under terms of their licence they should be held accountible for excessive noise otherwise what is the point of dec if they cant handle complaints from the community .Surely the dec and epa should be insisting noise barriers are put in place to give residents a reasonable quality of life.We must insist the dec act now to help local residents who deserve better

Thanks Roy, John for that information.... I agree with you John from the beginning we have said the noise has been shown excessive by default. This is ...... I dont even know the words for it but I am shaking my head. Roy thanks for the info I am going to pass it on

One thing that amazes me in this whole saga for the artc 8is that a regular newsletter should be sent to residents informing themk of essential also where they can contact if they have any problems.It is quite clear that the DEC must now adopt a more positive role in forcing ARTC in doing their bit to help residents in their many problems.The time for talk is over lets see the Local MLA and dec do mtheir statutory duties in looking after local residents John 0409368603 98258709

John I think some-one should do an enquiry into DECC... ARTC keep telling us they comply to DECC guidelines. How lax are these guidelines ARTC stated in their document noise is excessive.. Regardless of results tommorrow. NOISE IS EXCESSIVE the residents would never have known it if it wasnt for this new freight Line... WHAT IS GOVERNMENT GOING TO DO ABOUT IT.

Roy if you can get anything in writing or a name to what you said with regards to freight movement during the festive season, particularly around the 16th Dec and forward it to John Anderson it would be much appreciated. Im sure it can be attained under freedom of info

The week of the 16th that is

Some sleep PLEASE I know the Railways has to rebuild the tracks between Liverpool & Glenfield, BUT do they need to do heavy noisy work at night From 130am this morning till after 3am flashing lights, reversing alarms, grinding & leveling of the ballast,car& train horns Or was it because it was hot that I noticed these things I doubt it The family finally feel asleep at 11.30pm only to be woken & kept awake from 130am How much NOISE will MORE ARTC Trains bring without sound walls LOTS & LOTS

I hear you loud and clear, I am also a resident and have had problems sleeping for a long time especially when the night Freight trains come screaming past, shaking all the windows making thunderous noise. This problem is going to get WORSE with the new freight line, we are going to face 24/7 LOUD noise. It’s been proven that the noise levels are already excessive- ARTC and DECC the Noise barriers are needed NOW ASAP- this community is facing huge sleeping problems/Health Crisis. ACT NOW

Hi John and DaraB, my inquiry Via the Railcorp info line was about Freight Train movements being redirected to the East Hills line over the early new year period. I expressed my feelings about the whole freight fiasco and during the generalised conversation the Railcorp rep pointed to the lessening of movements time of year issue. I am sure this is common knowledge so raising the fact is currency. Sorry did not keep details but (Railcorp) contacted me on my mobile returning my call.

The PROTEST AGAINST the UNFAIR Placement of Infrastructure without REASONABLE MEASURES to REDUCE POLLUTION must now begin. We Need Help! Get the NATIONAL PRESS OUT HERE and SHOW THEM THE TRUTH! Ring, Write and E/ mail the NEWS Media, TV, PRINT and RADIO NEWS. ORGANISE PROTEST BBQ's get together on this, CASULA is only the First to be affected in our region by the FRIEGHT TSUNAMI and the CHEAPSKATE LABOR GOVERNMENTS POLICIES! NO COMMUNITY PEACE, NO HEAVY FREIGHT LINE!

The Casula freight train has just started. Local Press has always been interested in our plight but now the National Press is calling.We are talking about residents livelihood. No-one is against change against progress, we all want it. But ensure that no one person gets knocked off the station when a train goes past thats what we are asking . Right at the moment they are knocking hundreds of people off the platform at Casula. We are now expanding from Local Press.Keep reading/Listening.Surprise

Casula residents have always talked about noise, the noise we have to put up with. Now we will give the noise back to ARTC MPs DECC Railcorp with our voices to greater Sydney louder than the Freight trains that we put up with.

It was good to see that the two local mlas are going to attend the meeting.The residents must get their support before it is too late.Their job involves lobbying for the good of local residents and they must start doing this as this part of their resume.We must depart from this useless political duck shoving that has gone on too long,as the residents of casula and other parts along the freight deserve better treatment to enable them lead a more normal peaceful existence regards John 98258709

It was good to see that the two local mlas are going to attend the meeting.The residents must get their support before it is too late.Their job involves lobbying for the good of local residents and they must start doing this as this part of their resume.We must depart from this useless political duck shoving that has gone on too long,as the residents of casula and other parts along the freight deserve better treatment to enable them lead a more normal peaceful existence regards John 98258709

There is going to be a Community meeting next Monday 19 Jan at 7.30pm at 43 Birkdale Crescent, Casula, to plan further strategies in our battle for respect from these Govt Depts. I urge all residents in our area to attend. It affects us all.

There is going to be a Community meeting next Monday 19 Jan at 7.30pm at 43 Birkdale Crescent, Casula, to plan further strategies in our battle for respect from these Govt Depts. I urge all residents in our area to attend. It affects us all.

Before Mondays meeting I would like to thank the Greens for being the first to reach out to the community and for providing much needed guidance and support... Now lets see who will take this train that we are riding along with us from the two major political parties and who-ever roars the most, helps the most, ThAT IS WHERE OUR VOTES WILL SWAY. Noise Barriers Noise Barriers Noise Barriers, its been shown by default that they are needed who will get them for us? And thats where our votes will go

Before Mondays meeting I would like to thank the Greens for being the first to reach out to the community and for providing much needed guidance and support... Now lets see who will take this train that we are riding along with us from the two major political parties and who-ever roars the most, helps the most, ThAT IS WHERE OUR VOTES WILL SWAY. Noise Barriers Noise Barriers Noise Barriers, its been shown by default that they are needed who will get them for us? And thats where our votes will go

From my household alone 5 votes not to mention the street I grew up in, and the street I live and the adjoining neighbours to both streets that know me well... Not to mention my relatives and community that still reside in the area. Email is fabulous, Grapevine is fabulous.... Lets see how many more votes are at stake guys please supply.

Politicians are strange animals they only react by pressure.It is up to the meeting on monday to show that the community will not acceot no to any of their demands.My experience in the council is that if if you keep the pressure up they have to respond look what happened in regards to collingwood it was only through much work by a number of residents that resulted in success.There is no place for complacency now as the future of yourselves and your families depend on a satisfactory outcome

I agree with John - all Parties need to be engaged to find an answer. If they are or aspire to represent the area's interests, then they need to stand by that. Far too much 'window-dressing' has happened already - the noise barrier issue has been raised in Parliament 3 years ago, but more for grandstanding than for seeking action. Federal, State, and Council Members must use their combined influence to effect the necessary change. Let's hope they are all present on Monday night.

Bill this is what I have said all along... I am tired of the window dressing. To some degree I believe it is still window dressing for Mondays meeting. To date there has not been one hansard address yet how long have we been fighting??? I am sure some-where in this blog I stated way back... Mp is supporting us.woohoo. Yet no action to date. I dont want to hear MPs rhetoric we are here for you??? You have our complete support... Break it up what are you going to do.... What is your address to Par

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Dara, i know i speak for the residents on the line when I say we are sick of window dressing, no more yes we will help you in parliment we want action that is their job to make things happen. Bill you are correct this was already mentioned in parliment 3 years ago we need a strategy from the MPsto move forward, lets she if our MPs do what it takes. We Demand that the MPs work for us NOW. Like Dara i want to thank the Greens for stepping up to help us with our fight.

Dara, i know i speak for the residents on the line when I say we are sick of window dressing, no more yes we will help you in parliment we want action that is their job to make things happen. Bill you are correct this was already mentioned in parliment 3 years ago we need a strategy from the MPsto move forward, lets she if our MPs do what it takes. We Demand that the MPs work for us NOW. Like Dara i want to thank the Greens for stepping up to help us with our fight.

Thanks for you motivation of this post Glen, Sylvia Hale of the Greens under Parliamentary Priveledge accused the Labor State Government of CORRUPTION in it's freight policies. Ms Hale ROASTED the State Government for PERPETRATING the Impending Destruction of the environment of Botany Bay and the FREIGHT TSUNAMI which is set to engulf all of Southwestern Sydney. Ms Hale spoke in the state parliament but her speech was ignored by the Media. TRUTH is HARD to reveal when suppression happens!

Residents of Casula should be advised that the Southern Sydney Heavy Rail Freight Line is part of the State Governments contribution to National Infrastructure Policy. The INFRASTRUCTURE is considered essential by both the State and Federal Governments. The lack of environmental considerations reflect the PENNY PINCHING attitudes that pervade government contracts. On the world stage they present an image of advancement whilst locally they are in the DARK AGES. SHAME ON THEM ALL!

Further to these posts, the ARTC (AUSTRALIAN RAILTRACK CORPORATION) is a way that the Australian Government handles rail infrastructure without actually being responsible directly for community disruption. The government avoids political responsibility by having corporations and authorities which actually do the bidding of government but can be conveniently BLAMED when the policies affect communities. IT IS ALL A CON JOB, SO LOOK OUT! The rest is up to you, wear it or persevere for a fair deal!

Dara, I can confirm that Lee Rhiannon (Greens MLC) will attend the meeting tonight. See you there!

Dara, I can confirm that Lee Rhiannon (Greens MLC) will attend the meeting tonight. See you there!

I think the speakers at the meeting made o lot of sense now it is up to The MPs Dr. Andrew Mcdonald and Mr.Chris Hayes to demand their parties get the artc to do what is the only solution and come up with the funding to give the residents noise barriers so their life can go to some normality.The mps seemed sincere now it is up to them to deliver their part of the bargain

I think the speakers at the meeting made o lot of sense now it is up to The MPs Dr. Andrew Mcdonald and Mr.Chris Hayes to demand their parties get the artc to do what is the only solution and come up with the funding to give the residents noise barriers so their life can go to some normality.The mps seemed sincere now it is up to them to deliver their part of the bargain

I would like to thank Lee Rhiannon from the Greens for getting up and speaking. Her address was incredible. I would also like to thank Mp Andrew McDonald who I was told was initially a Green (makes sense) for addressing us as a person and not a Politician. And lastly Chris Hayes he was under fire but he took the heat good on you. All the councillors that turned up particulary Gary Lucas for his address. Bottom line Gary Lucas says it how it is and LOVES LIVERPOOL. If he gets crap from council

You will be hearing from the LINKS ESTATE. In addition I would like to thank you John Anderson for always being a voice in the community." keep the .... honest" and Helena Sivrich for her passionate speech again Leader if Helena goes Links estate to deal with and Lastly streetcorner Angus Laing Thankyou for giving the western suburbs a forum now we will sit and watch with anticipation.

Don't sit back and wait for the pollies' "influence" to try to work. Continue to write to everybody you can - letters to the editor, Minister Campbell, even Barry O'Farrell. Chris wanted you to keep it low-key and limited to the Casula corridor, and it came across as if he thinks that making the issue too big will stop you getting YOUR bit. That's quite possible, but it's also a bit of divide-and-conquer, and I fear it means that your voice may not be heard at all.

I was greatly encouraged to see the turn-out at last night's meeting. Working together you will achieve your outcome. I also applaud Chris and Andrew's contribution last night, but being sympathetic and actually getting a result are two different things. We heard both say things like "Let's try to get the barriers first - detail second", but apart from Andrew vowing to harrass the Transport Minister wherever he found him (I won't fill in the detail), we didn't actually get a firm PROMISE.

Thank you to the Greens for attending last night, Bill Cashman, Signe Westerberg and Lee Rhiannon MLC - Lee your address was amazing- and your advise incredible! Thank to local Councillors for coming, Mr Gary Lucas your voice is certainly heard in this community! Helena from Liverpool Leader, your passion is infectious Angus from street corner thanks for giving us this forum, and last but not least The MPS Chris Hayes and Andrew McDonald for addressing the community. Please take ACTION!

I would like to add that this community needs SWIFT action from the MPS- Bill I agree with you sympathetic and actually getting a result are two different things. We need our MPS to not try and get funding but GET funding for the Noise barriers- we are suffering. Our lives are at stack here- we don’t have time to wait any more LETS ALL PUSH for action and a solution. I commend the MPS for addressing the community thank you, but ultimately the time has come to work! Give us that PROMISE TODAY.

In my opinion the lack of environmental considerations are a disgrace. The adherence to planning legislation that allows standards to be exeeded expedient. The very idea that subjecting people to intolerable levels of any kind of harmful pollution is LEGAL makes a MOCKERY of the CONSTITUTION of AUSTRALIA and those that prsue such a course shoild be challenged in the HIGH COURT of AUSTRALIA. Perhaps Liverpool Municipal Council will mount a challenge on behalf of the residents or seek advice.

I think the Greens MLA The Honourable Ms Rhiannon made it quite clear. The COMMUNITY must take this on and PUBLICISE the GENUINE INCREDIBLE LEVEL OF CURRENT DISADVANTAGE AND THE MONSTEROUS INCREASE AHEAD! Reliance is okay but there is no substitute for MASSIVE COMMUNITY PROTEST INVOLVEMENT and that GET'S RESULTS!

The Greens have been the first to always offer solutions. Im of no political affiliation but like I have been around much longer than some of our new councillors. Greens came to the door on the Collingwood Debarcle way before anyone and again on the freight issue. I feel empathy for them because they are the catalysts to the results yet they do not receive the accolodes when the results are achieved because they have not got a huge following in Liverpool ironic. Considering they bring the result

Pardon the typos as we are all tired because we have been doing councils job which non of us are paid for. It was interesting to see all our research and liasons in comparison to council. Stop sweating over the small stuff tackle the big issues in Liverpool. I wonder how much we should charge council in doing the work for them.

I am of no political affiliation either Dara. I am a product of the constant efforts of the Governments to affect detrimentally the region of Liverpool. During the Holsworthy Airport campaign I roundly criticized the Liberal Government that proposed it. Yet the process was so much more consultative than the current Labor Policies. We were actually able to win against the rotten scheme. However Labor have changed the goalposts to get their own way regardless of the genuine community objections.

In addition the Federal and State Labor Parties seem to have moral standards different to that of the community of Liverpool. On the one hand Liverpool residents are expected to be staunch supporters of Labor but on the other recipients of a less than an even handed amount of area affectation. The Labor party will only have itself to blame when the region rejects it at the next state and federal elections. BETRAYAL of WORKERS will come back to BITE IT! SPREAD the WORD LABOR is not TRUSTABLE!

Roy the Greens have helped us to a ridiculous degree with the freight issue. I know that they are talking to the Austral residents with regards to the school issue.I am aware that Sylvia Hale is stearing you. Maybe its time to go green at least give them more power so they can dispute ridiculous proposals. Or else we get steamrolled as we have been.

I do not agree, the Greens are just another bunch of POLITICO's in my opinion, granted they oppose the major parties but they are aspirational Politicians. The Liverpool community does not need politicians we need a STRONG COMMUNITY! Stuff the Politicians lets take the whole lot of them on! We can get press and we can embarrass the government all by ourselves ( is that not what we have been doing all along? Be BRAVE STAND UP for YOURSELVES! I am not a member of any party yet I get Quoted!

Roy example its life aspirationals do the work. Its the ones that are there on the perch that just sit pretty and dont give a ...... because they are there hence our Liverpool Labor Party. What have they done for us. We residents are tired of doing the work. We dont get paid. They are paid for this stuff

Here I am again writing to yet another Minister. Why???? I dont get paid. If the Greens want to take my workload I am all happy to give it to them. Because as residents we are just tired of doing the all the damn work

Roy - I am a citizen first and a Green second. I think your attitude is off the mark.

Hi Bill, I just want everyone to contribute to the fight against the unjust levels of environmental destruction that are proposed for Liverpool. With all genuine regard for the efforts of the Greens most Liverpool folk remain "in the dark" The political system has let us down and whilst the Greens have made a parliamentary effort, at grass roots level the community is being shafted. The situation is now most urgent, the community must speak up or lose the amenity of the entire district.

Further Bill I am aware that you have called for better planning in Liverpool and I must say that was a good thing to do. Please continue to support as the community needs that. The State and Federal Governments are acting against the environmental interests of Liverpool indeed the whole southwest of Sydney. So far I am the only person to point that out, why is that? Where is the PUBLIC CONDEMNATION by POLITICIANS? Where are the so called ENVIRONMENTALISTS? Liverpool is like a DEAD ZONE!

Thanks for the clarification, Roy. I can't speak for the other Parties, but I can say that we're extremely lucky with the current make-up of the Greens, especially at the local level. We're still too small, but made up of locals who want the best for the area, and will use whatever democratic means we can to help this happen. The reality is that if any of us were in it for pure political ambition, there are a lot easier gigs than being part of a Party people hardly know out here.

I'm also hugely grateful for the energy and dedication of Lee Rhiannon and Sylvia Hale. Both of them have a special affinity for the people of this area - not something that's politically motivated, because I only managed to scratch out 4% against Lynch at the last poll, so it's not as though they're supporting a winnable seat. It boils down to this - a fair go is the Aussie way; you guys are not getting it, and we'll do whatever we can to support you any time that happens.

I too was heartened by the attendance of Lee Rhiannon in support of noise barriers for a section of tack on the southern Sydney Freight Line. Yet the really BIG issue remains unchallenged locally. The FREIGHT TSUNAMI and the truly GIGANTIC plans of governments to situate the greatest conglomeration of freight handling installations in inland Australia all in MOOREBANK NSW. The adverse effects of pollution, traffic and congestion remain unchallenged. Who will champion for Liverpool?

The Greens party and a number of conscionable local identities are showing genuine support for the Liverpool community agains the unfair and exessive proposals. The Casula residents are trying hard just to get noise reduction and were not consulted or informed about the Implications of the Freight Line, never mind the proposed Freightyards. Wattle Grove residents are in a similar boat as well, treated like "mushrooms". The scenario is gradually unfolding watch streetcorner and the Local.

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Liverpool Council this week decided to fully support sound barriers for W/Farm-Casula residents. Preparations are under way for the next phase so let's hope the OH&S officers are diligent and do not allow grinders to be used near chemicals as happened just recently. Residents do not appreciate black smoke billowing into their backyards and workmen skylarking with the hose attempting to quell the flames. Safety for all is the key word as grinders and chemicals do not mix.

After attending monday nights Liverpool Council meeting I must thank the Liverpool City Council for unamiously voting to support us residents. We of the Links estate are fighting hard to get noise mitigation installed so we may enjoy quality of life. With the Liverpool Council on board and the help of State MPs, Federal MPs and the Greens we will be fighting till the bitter end. ARTC take note WE WANT OUR NOISE BARRIERS.

True the Links Estate have been working ridiculously hard to get noise barriers as portrayed by the newspapers, streetcorner and as the MPs (not just local)and ARTC know. If other areas along the corridor decide they want noise barriers well they will have to work hard for them. To date they are whispers. We have been fighting since 2006.And havent stopped. For the last 8months, each week we done something new.Thats the commitment other areas along the corridor need to have.Not just rhetoric

The residents of the Links Estate have been working HARD to get the noise barriers erected before the Freight line is in construction and operational. There has been non stop effort from these residents since 2006 to get noise mitigation- other areas who want barriers need to fight just as hard as we have for last 3 LONG YEARS. We will continue to fight, lobby hard and demand urgent action- will the others along the corridor do the same?

You would think that with the 42 billion stimulant to the economy announced this week that the 4.14 million needed to put noise barriers wouldnt pose a problem .The Federal government shoulfd start being serious for residents concerns

John, I think that's a good point. With so much money being handed-out, perhaps a greater proportion should be allocated to definite infrastructure developments, for e.g. a noise barrier, rather than hoping that people will spend their money 'appropriately'. It's not hard to see that many people will use the money in ways that will not impact the economy as intended. It's almost as if the government is taking a gamble on people's spending habits or intentions!

if the noise barriers are placed in between the existing track and the new freight line the noise echoing off the wall will be five times worse ,so the only alternate is to put it along the back fences of your houses.its fun looking at a 12foot high wall in your backyard,and dont be fooled because both tracks on the passenger lines will still be used by freight trains when quiet periods exist so they can stllrun these freights in the night in both directions,happy sleeping

Martin appreciate your thoughts. We have everything under control. As for 12foot high walls. We live in suburbia, not the country, nor an acreage. My neighbours house is 12foot high and looks into my backyard. Personally I would prefer a wall and privacy. Its suburbia. And I hope my community does enjoy their sleep for the first time in 15yrs thanks for the kind thoughts

Martin, you certainly are out of touch with what has been going on along the corridor. Firstly ALL the residents want sound barriers along back fences and secondly we live in suburbia on a rail line and proposed freight line so the notion of 12foot high noise walls sounds FABULOUS! Have a look at the noise barriers along other parts of the corridor they look beautiful and they protect the community from noise pollution. The residents have it all worked out & we know exactly what we want.

If ARTC had design the new line better all trains would have been able to use the three lines. This would have allowed faster passenger trains and better services. If ARTC had designed a sound mound in-between the railcorp passenger and ARTC freight a lot of their noise would be absorb or reflected up and away from the homes. The reason it has taken ARTC so long to build this new lines comes down to money They dont want to spend but they do want to make a train track. They dont care about people

At the community cabinet meeting in Campbelltown where residents applied to speak to a minister to make them aware about the debacle regarding the non approval of noise mitigation.The PM Mr Rudd asked for questions but didnt give me a opportunity to make a impassionate plea for the residents of Liverpool and Casula re noises mitigation.At the end of the meeting I approached Mr.Pgarrett to ask him about his approval for the ARTC frightline.His assistant took my name and number to discuss the item

John thankyou for taking us to the Cabinet meeting last night. I really did not comprehend how powerful such a meeting was until last night. Yes Mr Rudd was in Campbelltown. I advise all to register when he visits Liverpool. Roy its a great forum to get your message out.

Also would like to thank Chris Hayes for addressing Parliament as per letters received in the mail and email correspondance. As I mentioned to Chris's office I hope this is one of many addresses to Parliament. I and other constituents look forward to the final letter/email stating you have noise walls.

Let's hope tonights meeting with ARTC brings the results we're hoping for not the ones we are expecting...

DECC IS COMFORTABLE WITH RESIDENTS LIVING WITH 95DEC AS QUOTED BY ARTC.....THE REST OF US LIVE WITH 65-80 GREAT GOING DECC THERE SHOULD BE AN INQUIRY INTO YOUR OPERATION.HOW DISGUSTING WHERE IS YOUR MORALE OBLIGATION YOUR CIVIC DUTY. JAMES HARDY WAS BIG THIS WILL BE BIGGER

YOU ARE AN ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCY. 95 DB COMFORTABLE!!!!!!!!!! I AM IN SHOCK HENCE THE CAPITALS AND ANGRY AS HELL.... 60 MINUTES HERE WE COME

At the cabinet meeting last tuesday Mr.P Garett assistant said she will contact me and I am still waiting.After the debacle public meeting in the Sunnybrook when the ARTC stated the DECC is comfortable,sure they are comfortable they dont have to endure the 95 decb they probably live on a island with no noise.The bureacrat who said that typifies the way Liverpool casula residents are treated,do they want all residents to be permanenlt deaf.Our pollies have to act now 98258709 mob 0409368603

A storm of community anger has to happen now to give the responsible parties no doubt how residents feel.Every resident effected has to lobby everyone to show their displeasure.These people from decc are only public servants what right have they to dictate to Local residents that their quality of life has to suffer just to ensure the ARTC budget is not threatened.Federal Govt State Govt council have to combine to rectify this great injustice.What is needed is action not words.Please Act now

DECC IS COMFORTABLE WITH 95 DECIBALS AS QUOTED BY ARTC

I am DISGUSTED that DECC TOLD ARTC that they are COMFORTABLE that the Liverpool/Casula links estate residents are subjected to noise levels at 95 DECIBELS. I voiced my concern at last night and want the ARTC and DECC to know that this COMMUNITY will be seeking legal damages!!As noted above this will be another James Hardy case- are DECC comfortable that we are sleep deprived, stressed, sick and depressed as a result of these levels. Isn’t prevention better than a cure? This is not acceptable.

Hi all, Please see our opinion story on the issue. http://www.streetcorner.com.au/news/show... Regards Angus

DaraB I understand you think it would be a good idea for me to get involved in attempting to "get my message out" by attempting to personally raise the Freight Tsunami issues with the Federal Government when they visit Liverpool. However unfortunately the issues are so huge the people who should be concerned are backing away so sorry but my personal objections to Liverpool Lifestyles, the Environment and the Economy of the district being downgraded will carry little weight. Good luck Liverpool!

Roy I do understand your frustration. I am as frustrated as you are. I understand your reasoning. People just have to look towards the Botany terminal to have a clear understanding of what an intermodal means. But no-one bothers to look in there travels. Look what it did to surrounding areas of Mascot and Sydenham. ARTC actually stated at the meeting on 12Nov. 2008 if the intermodal was going ahead they would have to remodel everything.It is annoying that nothing is transparent.

In their travels for all the spell checkers its hard to think of spelling when you are frustrated. On a good note Sylvia Hale is a real voice in terms the intermodal. Didnt you say somewhere that she accused the government of corruption. I had the priveledge to meet her on the weekend. This government really is corrupt and its getting more and more evident. Its time for a change in the South West or were just idiots excluding present company

Roy where the hell is this intermodal going. Exact location. Everytime I ask council response is they do not know.

WoW! There are two major projects. The federal government is committed to place an INLAND PORT grand scale freight terminal intermodal directly across the river from Casula. The stae government is involved as this project is connected to Port Botany rail transfer of containers. The second huge project in prospect is directly on the other side of Moorebank ave. Stocklands and Queensland rail are part of a consortium looking to develop a freight intermodal and rail yards there.

So, if you want to appreciate the scale take the view that most of the military will be moved out of Moorebank across the river from Casula and instead the area will all be dedicated to freight. Roughly as much land as the current Port at Botany Bay! The truck traffic will all gain access to and from Morebank Ave via the M5 ramps. Dodge the juggernaughts! The trains so frequent a greyhound could not cross the tracks. The governments are proceeding and there is no effective opposition. SCARY!

Correction to typo's (state) government is involved Access to M5 ramps via (Moorebank)Ave. Note: Federal Labor government has expressed the intent to fund $300m towards the government Intermodal Inland Port! Stocklands consortium project is East Coast orientated connecting interstate ports ( so it is not the same business plan as the governments idea). The tonnages to be handled in total are staggering! The environmental impact, well think about it. All the Best DaraB Regds Roy.

I actually stated Moorebank Avenue they couldnt confirm it and that they will be using M5 ramps. Its still not transparent.

According to you Roy this is directly across from the Casula Powerhouse Arts Centre and the parkland/Golf course in front of the Powerhouse?

CORRECT! Including the Golf Course all the way to level with Anzac Rd Junction, includind all of the land between the river and Wattle Grove along the whole sretch.. The main Terminal is alongside the river with the second terminal opposite across Moorebank ave (currently is the defence storage area). The main Terminal will push the military back into Holsworthy Military Area, or interstate leaving the lands ripe for development so as to take advantage of the M5 access. THAT is the plan.

So what happens to the River City? What happens to Casula Arts Museum and the 14m spent to date. What happens to the 2m allocated to the parkland in front of the Powerhouse. Honestly Roy I spoke with certain members of council. They are in the dark. I do believe those members. Another person told me Moorebank avenue was not going to be used. Didnt you say that Sylvia Hale accused the Government of corruption with regards to this issue. I met Sylvia on the weekend.

Hi DaraB, The River City, NO WAY! They will probably have a strip next to the river declared a park because it is flood prone. Council has no political power over national infrastructure issues. The news today is the M4 tunnels are unable to happen so Port Botany is expanding, Where will all of that new capacity go? News on Streetcorner new High Technology Hub to happen out west M4 M7 junction ( Liverpool has an area for high technology too), sorry that is now under freight use proposal. 1+1=2.

Sylvia Hale made a speech in the state parliament about freight issues and was highly critical to say the least about the whole situation. Suggest you research and seek the advice of the federal minister for transport whom will advise you of the governments policy about Moorebank Terminal Inland Port. Try typing in on Google Moorebank Intermodal Terminal and go past the Stocklands press release to Port Botany Rail Issues, see the reccomendations to government (state) to go ahead etc.Good info.

Finally, watch the developments as the freight line is completed, the Port Expansion comes on line and congestion in the inner city produces pressure for relief. MOOREBANK is their HOLY GRAIL. Please read Federal Labor Website re Labors $2B Transport plan Moorebank Project is very prominent as the answer t0 inner sydney congestion on Labors own document.

Roy when it comes out in the open. ARTC will not even give a definate because they told us if they were to place an intermodal they need to remodel everything. THat hasnt happened as yet. There is no way Casula residents are going to put up with a freight hub across the river. The residents would protest that. The intermodal should be pushed further west. There are new rail lines and M7 to support it not in the middle of suburbia. Thats ridiculous

Okay DaraB so we each have terminals proposed close by and stand to be affected either or by traffic generated, environmental effects or actual site operations. The current throughput of Sydney is only a fraction of the national container trade. The aim is to increase throughput into the Sydney sea port at Botany then rail a whole lot of the containers to a network of intermodals. However the military lands are too good to miss they think and our community is too trusting expecting a fair go.

The Intermodal proposal on Stocklands site is targeted as I mentioned more towards the intrastate transfer of goods but could for all I know be a mixed terminal. The Governments proposal is a full blown inland port accepting principally Port Botany cargo but hey it would have to operate as a multi purpose facility to survive. Empties storage and returns would be a major function I should think. The stacking up to six high would make them highly visible and that is the way it is usually done.

Interestingly, the prime distance from a sea port for an intermodal is Forty Kilometers, yet the Moorebank sites are much closer than that to Port Botany. If Sydney Harbour had not been closed to shipping then Moorebank may well have been the best economical answer. The persistence demonstrates a determination to drive on despite real problems in servicing the transport industry that would emerge. It is a politically driven decision rather than an astute choice. They should be futher out.

Come join Liverpool Action Group. John Anderson above is the president. There are 40 ACTIVE residents/members. There are others who are members but do not attend meetings. I was surprised myself how well organised they are from the meagre beginnings of 7 of us. They have really done well.At least you can meet 40 other caring/active Liverpudlians. In saying that Congratulations John/Gary and thankyou for providing another avenue for bringng community issues to the forfront

As I put on the website I have gone to to Dr Anrew Mcdonald office today and suggested a meeting be convened of all parties to possibly consider a cost sharing arrangement.I will ring Mr Chris Hayes office tommorrow to get their sanction.Also I will contact Mr P.Garretts office to float the idea too.Surely it is time for all parties to meet the ARTC,residents Local MPs decc and state govt.Words are too cheap action has to start happening to give residents relief

I believe pursuing ARTC is a waste of time - they will NOT budge, and can't be made to do so. The only reason they can get away with their level of noise is because they use the technicality that the noise is already at that level - and who is responsible for that? The NSW Government! If the NSW Government had provided noise protection against the levels currently produced on the lines UNDER THEIR CONTROL, we wouldn't be having this debate. It is the NSW Govt that must provide the barriers - NOW

I agree that artc is hiding behind decc guidelines but somewhere somehow a catalyst has to be found to get a resolution even if the artc are reluctant to come to the party.I spoke to Peter Garretts office and they werent very helpful and suggested I ring the ministers office in Canberra who then asked me to send a email asking for a meeting,what bureacatic humbug.Mr C.Hayes office told me that he is trying to arrange a meeting and hopefully that will eventuate.WE WILL PERSEVERE 98258709

I agree the ARTC will not even provide us with the Wilkonson and Murray report. (full noise testing report) I thought under the freedom of Info act they are required to do so. Its starting to smell very bad around here. Theres rats but what are we expecting I was told some Ministers where shareholders in the ARTC.Dont know which ones but shouldnt be hard to find.God forbid if they spend on Noise barriers it will cut into the shares.

I think its time we got on the radio station this is getting ridiculous.

Thanks streetcorner..... we are on 2GB!!!!

Yep, Jason Morrison is pursuing this very hard now. He spoke initially to Ned on Tuesday, spoke to Greg Merchant (CEO of ARTC) yesterday and is hoping to pursue and put pressure on Chris Hayes and Andrew McDonald over next couple of days.

This isn't the time to wind down, all of you now need to put pressure on Liverpool Council, Chris Hayes and Andrew McDonald. Yes, you have already been doing, but you need to keep doing it while Jason keeps on putting pressure on them too. They'll have to break soon.

We will not be winding down. Chris Hayes has a community meeting at Congressional Drive Hume Highway from 9.30pm tommorrow... Round 1m:) As for 2GB they are wondering why their ratings are up. They have people who have never listened now listening due to Streetcorner.

Dara- how did the meeting go, I was unable to get there? Did he have any answers?

Same old same old.. The residents have cottoned on that this may draw out pre election. From comments around the circle this will work against the MPs if this drags out. These guys put up with Railcorp construction noise. I cant see them putting up with ARTC noise. Playing a silly game these residents are fragile and angry.

Dara - I suggested this to Stefan earlier - I think a petition might help – if we could get all of the locals in the Casula area signed up, and maybe even do a Saturday down in Liverpool Shopping Centre getting signatures, we could deliver them to Nathan Rees office. I’m happy to give up a Saturday to doorknock or chase shoppers – what do you think? I believe the ALP think it’s a very localised issue that won’t hurt them so much electorally – with a groundswell of local support they'll panic.

I agree with Bill, these guys are thinking in votes you need to remind them that Liverpool isn't a safe seat if they don't look after their people... we no longer need to be taken for granted and you deserve support.

Signe Bill, Andrew McDonald is having a meeting with David Campbell and Kristina Keneally next week.I hope that Jason Morrison of 2GB and streetcorner could follow up on the results of the meeting. I would love to see Kristina or David on the show. If its a whole lot of rhetoric and no action we will be taking up your suggestion and deliver it to Nathan Rees personally.

Dara, are any of you attending as observers? Whilst not able to make comment perhaps you could request an observer attend. I think that Andrew is actually following up is great, lets see how it goes and hopefully they will act quickly.

FYI - I doubt they will allow observers but you can ask, sorry should have made that clearer... You know Bill and I will support you should this not turn out as desired.

Dara - I saw Andrew's speech to the Assembly, and he seems fair dinkum. If he can't get the Ministers to agree then it will be purely a reflection of how much influence he actually has. As I said before, you can count on our group to help with the collection of signatures if something has to go direct to the Premier ;)

Bill- thank you for your offer of support- I know I speak for every one when I say we appreciate it. Let’s see what comes out of Andrews meetings next week- Following on from what Dara said if it’s a whole lot of rhetoric and no action we will be taking up your suggestion and deliver it to Nathan Rees. This community has had enough of promises- I am sure they will panic when they see that all of Liverpool/Casual and other areas support our plight for fairness and quality of life!!

There are rumors that the ARTC plan to move the freight line a "little" distance from the existing Lines. This does not solve the residents problem. Instead it now cuts into our parklands and is affecting the River. A little distance at Lakewood Cres is virtually in the river. This does not reduce the 95dec that is present now and has accumulated over the yrs. Whether they move it into the river does not decrease the 95 decibels the best solution for the residents and the environment is stop

wasting the 4million on marketing and put it towards noise barriers that will best serve the community and the environment as a whole. Its about time that government starts listening to residents for they are the ones that live in the area and know the areas from the back of their hands. If they had listened in the past,these f ups would not happen. Listen to the people they live and breathe the area!!!They are saying NOISE BARRIERS FULL STOP

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