Peter has pointed out the political reality of what we face as a community. It is the political reality, we as constituents have created and must now put up with. The vast majority of our local and national elected representatives are intellectual minnows, bereft of any ideas remotely creative or visionary. They are merely the mouthpieces for their party policy, created by a whole myriad of unelected individuals and groups, only interested in furthering their own agendas. A minister has merely got to "form an opinion" for it to become policy. When you have weak minded individuals easily persuaded by a supposedly "good for the state" argument, it leaves a lot to be desired how the politicians form policy and run our state and country accordingly. There's way too much room for allegations of impropriety in our current way of forming policy. …To be absolutely brutal, you may regard modern parliamentary rule as nothing more then state sanctified racketeering and us the taxpayer tacitly going along with it…… When the next elections come along, think carefully and research your choice of candidate to see if they stand up to scrutiny, what qualification do they have, what skills will they bring to the table , will they represent your views in parliament? We as constituents have to be more vigilant as to who we vote for to represent our and our communities views and aspirations, the calibre of candidates has a lot of room for improvement.

The Closure of Sydney Harbour to Container Traffic has shifted all focus in the Sydney Area to Port Botany as the Major Sea Port.......Subsequently it is apparently impossible to carraige all of the containers by road from there............. The selection of Moorebank has been driven by Availability of the land close to existing M5 and the New Southern Sydney Freight Rail is being constructed to service this situation..........The Siteing between Existing Residential Areas threatens the viability of many suburbs of Liverpool.....even the CBD.!......Liverpool has so far ....FAILED to put up a united front against these Proposals........The area could be sacrifed for the good of the Nation......but what about the Residents, Ratepayers and Businesses?...Add your voice of Concern!

The plain fact is that the intermodals freight hub container terminals will pose a massive threat to residents.It has been proven in the USA and overseas countries that diesel in the quantity that they are proposing here will pose a massive threat to residents.If you are unsure google effects of diesel emmissions and it will be clear about the effects on communities.With the M5 in constant gridlock and heavy traffic all day how do they intend getting the diesel trucks out to MoorebankThe rally at clinches pond on Sunday 26th June.2011 at 12.30 give residents a chance to reject this madness and send a clear message that this will not be tolerated.If you stay silent it will be the at residents peril John Anderson wattle grove.0409368603

To be fair to the Dr Mp:) he then later requested peer reviewed documentation which he sent on to the Health Minister? at the time whos advisors stated that these studies were most probably at the initial "rat" testing stage. We forwarded the liason back to professors in the states and they came back with MORE peer reviewed info rebuking the claims but I dont know whether it was forwarded to the Dr MP by the SouthWest Alliance. I know it was forwarded to everyone (just dont know who if this Mp is on the email list)

Well it is as Peter Langsam has said above - all the major politicians and political parties are for this and there are only a few decent people fighting for the residents of the South West. Jim McGoldrick & Craig Kelly seem to be the main (if not only) people in politics fighting for the residents' lives. It is up to the residents to help them fight this. They can't beat people power so let's give it to them!

Dara they know the dangers of diesel there have been reports done in Australia the evidence is out there the indiffernce shown by people who know better is amazing.I went down to Holsworthy sattion yesterday morning and the indifference shown by people is quite remarkable.One said it is too early,one took exception when I said it will kill our residents.To me they are standing back waiting for someone else to fight their fight.They are not prepared to face reality or they intend just to move their should be more compassion shown by all.People power will win this fight but it requires a conceryted effort from all John Anderson wattle grove.0409368603

If the same thing that is happening here was done overseas there would be rioting on the streets but Im afraid its the old layback attitude of Australians.I went to a lag meeting last week and it was reported that someone asked what is a Intermodal and works for the council this shows the level of indifference.We all know the effects on our children we should be prepared to go to any lenght to protect them.I have worked for 26 years for the sydney ports authority which covers port botany and know you cant transpose a area like port botany out at Liverpool but they just want to fit their corporate agenda they dont care about people John Anderson wattle grove.0409368603

John - this is very disappointing. Let's hope these people are in the minority. We ALL have to fight this to stop it. It's not too early to fight. We can't wait until the government has everything in place before we try to fight it, they will say they've spent too much money to stop. WE ALL NEED TO FIGHT NOW! Don't be complacent and expect everyone else to fight for you - everyone has to pitch in. It will only be your own fault if this goes ahead and you haven't put in any effort!

Hi Jane..... I have apparently wasted my time appearing in Local Papers with Allerts about this issue for years along with guided touring of Politicians and Journalists of the Sites in Question........ In addition having dozens of Letters to the Editor Published.....If you now think a couple of Political Types can turn back the tide...... then like King Canute you have a problem in my opinion......It will take a lot of Ostriches and Denial merchants in Liverpool to Make a major Sea Change in my view to change this situation..Good luck to you all. ..... So far there are too few!

You can whine and whinge all you want, but the reality is, This intermodal will be happening because of the Govt we voted in has turned our backs on the small voice of the 'smaller' Citizens of Australia. It is listening more to the louder voice of the Big Businesses who run the show and will say it's for the good of the economy, bring more jobs and so forth.. MP's are only delaying the issue by pretending to listen but eventually it will happen. Just look at the work they are doing on the South-West Rail Line.

If The Intermodals happened it will be only because people are silent ,…… Napoleon said.. The world suffers a lot. Not because of the violence of bad people, but because of the silence of good people !" Einstein said……"I am thankful to all those who said NO to me It's Because of them I did it myself. Shakespeare said…… "In The Times Of Crisis I Was Not Hurt By The Harsh Words Of My Enemies, But By The Silence Of My Friends." Roy, you have not wasted your time, one day people will learn that we were right and that they will be effected badly; hopefully it won’t be too late. Politicians will play the Game as they always do, we are not stupid, if they are not fighting hand in hand with us then they want this Intermodals.

Roy there wouldnt be a rally if we thought that just a few politicians can change this. Its time as the people above said for EVERYONE to roll up their sleaves.AT LEAST turn up to the rally. Complacency is prevalent around the world. Hence how well look at Europe all the countries toppling over ie Greece extra. But as my father has always said to me growing up. Roll up your damn sleaves and get working then see the fn changes that will occur. Nothing changes if nothing changes. I am sick to death of even the attitude of some on here. See you all at the rally or seriously get out of the area go live amongst other complacent people, get your intermodals etc and Let us fix our city and get the River city we deserve!! Who on earth puts an intermodal on a river? Did we see what Parramatta is planning for their river but we place containers next to a river a potential mariner and an Arts centre. Its not in line with the VISION for LIVERPOOL. Why have that stupid Council banner. Whats your vision for Liverpool they ask? Its unanimous A RIVER CITY!! And you know what if the Mayor supports containers then the council had every right to dump her as a spokes person because put a referendum out there.. Liverpool its all over the papers wants a river city. Not containers lining the river. Housing Parklands, sports grounds etc.

I can put money on it for its just life, move and you know what something ELSE will eventually knock on your door or your childs door and BIGGER but as lessons are always painful there will not be a John, Peter, etc around to show you how to fight. And the fight will be PAINFUL.No-one chose this issue!!It chose US!! This isnt a Nimby issue that few want to tag us with, its not a muslim school (for the record I do believe that there are too many schools on Hoxton Park Rd and dont believe that the Australs rally against a muslim school was just). No-one is against intermodals. But yes we ARE against the location and FOR better PLANNING in NSW!!We are making a change for BETTER PLANNING!!Professors in the States are rallying for us to make a change for better planning. Get involved Roll up your sleaves. This has come to your door. Be part of something that is bigger than you. Or honestly why are you here as a human being. Your just adding to my taxes. The idea is to make a contribution to make the world a better place for future generations.See you at the rally if your reading this. Or turn a blind eye and watch how life pans out for you tomorrow. We are not whinges. we are Doers the fighters!! Whinges are ones who sit on the couch or at the computer and don't get out there and DO SOMETHING. We on the other hand are trying to make a change. Trying to contribute to this tiny patch called Liverpool and inturn possibly being an example for other countries. If this wasnt a global issue Liverpool council would not have been invited to participate at a conference in the USA regarding this. Little Liverpool can be a drop in the ocean for a Bigger change.Simple Law of physics/nature. To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Whinge, move, do nothing. Life Laws say it will always come back to bite you on the butt BIG TIME!!It was said that the "silly" people living on the line will never get noise barriers by both CEOs,Heads of Govt depts. They got it!! How? By rolling up there sleaves and working together fighting for what they beleived in. A just cause! Both Politics, council,people etc. Roll your damn sleaves up!! We can do this but the change starts with your head!! If your reading this see you ALL at the rally.

I am proud of you all for sticking up for your Community....The Politicians whom will not (I Believe) will produce a Rod for the Backs of the People and the Government in the Future if the Moorebank Freight Scheme is not UNIVERSALLY CONDEMMNED!..... Good on CLLR Jim McGoldrick.....Good on Craig Kelly MP.....Good on the other Brave Councillors for their support too......and the Western Sydney Regional Councils Group for their measured support for it's value...... Other Doubters and Detractors of the of the Community Effort to fight for it's very survival need to get on board!...... Advocates of the Projects......especially political ones.....I think.....need to get themselves educated with the Facts in Community Hands!.....

I think we will win this fight not through the great masses that support us but through something I think is unachievable.I dont think anybody irrespective of the factions will be able to instal such a monstrucity.The health of the area is very bad and if there is any sort of unbiassed assessment it will bear this out.As I have said on numerous occassions they are covering up the real facts and wont admit that the intermodals freight hub is able to be instigated.Surely all the research I have witnessed on the web recently is knowledge to these clowns. Lets push on if they support us well and good but you can advertise until we are blue in the face but they will still block their ears as many are unwilling to participate John Anderson wattle grove.0409368603

I thing I see regularly is the local papers lay in their driveways and they take no notice of its content how can you make them become civic minded it is a product of modern life John Anderson wattle grove.0409368603

All our comments are informed and commedable, but they are reaching all of us already in the know and not the wider community. Time is running out for people power, it's time to start doorknocking. How long before SIMTA opens up for public exhibition? 10,000 signatures are required for this to be debated in state parliament, 250,000 for a referendum. We've got our work cut out for us. How do we turn everyone in the Liverpool district into an activist? At the rally this Sunday will there be a petition to sign to be handed over to Melanie Gibbons for NSW parliamentary debate on the SIMTA Intermodal for a start?

Ray there are many who are reading this but are keeping quiet. We have mentioned streetcorner many times now. As said and as you have said. Its time to roll up the sleaves!! Its all well and good listening to the community forums and BIG THANKYOU for ALL you people who turned up. The numbers have been BRILLIANT!! We just need help!! Reply to the Alliance guys to however you can help. AT LEAST!!! turn up to the protest rally on the 26th. This Sunday. Its going to be a fun day anyway which is a BONUS!!!Bring the kids, grandparents etc and meet your community whilst making a protest vote in a nice way.

Ned manoon was interviewed last night on 2ue about the council giving councillors a ipad there was a article about it last sunday telegraph along with wendys car wash.I tried to get on and mention the rally on sunday but they never rang me back.I will send a email to stuart bockering today as I have spoken to him numerous times before it is amazing the Intermodals thar is going to tear the guts out of the area and they wont let us discuss it.If the councillors need ipads give them one and who cares about wendys car wash.This is beyond all belief John Anderson wattle grove.0409368603

John, Why I am not surprised , this is today’s MEDIA, I call them Cosmetic Surgery MEDIA not “lifesaving MEDIA”, they are not interested to help the cause , they are interested to report the disaster after happening.

At the end of the day we cannot rely on our politicians to resolve this issue. We, the people are the ones who can stop this proposal. It has been said many times that people power can achieve virtually the impossible.(We have in fact seen this to be true in the past) On the 26th June we all have the chance to do that by attending the protest rally, sign the petition and register with the South West Sydney Community Alliance to receive updated information on developments. You have the opportunity to become involved to stop this outrageous proposal. Speaking from experience, you have no idea of what is heading our way. Should this development go ahead, you will no longer wish to live in the suburbs that surround this monster.

IPADs and carwash get a mention on 2UE... NEWS FLASH!!! WE DONT CARE.. We have BIGGER ISSUES in LIVERPOOL. Like a RALLY thats going to attracted thousands of people!! Disgusted.

In case you have not noticed allmost anything that happens in Liverpool is Reported in the Media..........EXCEPT the Sydney Freight Plan and its affects proposed for Liverpool Residents...........ESPECIALLY THE HEALTH FOCUS ANGLE!....... The Politicians in our area have FAILED to DRAW FOCUS in the NATIONAL MEDIA sufficiently on this issue....... The whole of the SOUTHWEST of SYDNEY POLITICIANS AND ACTIVIST MOVEMENTS have failed to bring focus to this issue affecting areas far and wide.......The National Press are covering up what is happening!..... People Power can only win if their voices are not SUPPRESSED!...... Sorry if any of you are still in the discovery phase...... Protest and Try to get some attention on the plight of our SUBURBS and REGION for Heavens Sake!!!!

What can you do to Protest??? Start Writing TONS of EMAILS to the Press and Letters to the editor Local and NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA complaining and complaining and complaining!........Every Resident who turns up to that Sunday Protest should leave with a list of Clear Media Contacts to Email and write to........... Get CONSISTENT Its the SYDNEY FREIGHT PLAN! Not a confusing mix up of Intermodal 1 intermodal 2 Freight Railway Line, Road Expansions etc etc. ATTACK the SYDNEY FREIGHT PLAN.......CLOSURE of Sydney Shipping Harbour....Relocation of Everything to Port Botany, then Backwashing the WHOLE SOUTH WEST CORRIDORE and Flooding Liverpool with RIDICULOUSLY MASSIVE FREIGHT HANDLING VOLUME BURDENS......It is a Health Hazard being produced by our own Government that should know better.....

The only way to STOP the Sydney Freight Plan Spoiling the whole Southwest is to REOPEN SYDNEY HARBOUR to Container Freight. Yes SYDNEY ACTUALLY HAS A HARBOUR DOWN THERE! CENTRALISED AND SHARED DISTRIBUTION not just one narrow corridore of the entire city despoiling our areas. AND the Railway Freight Line is already there from the Wharfes connected in ALL Directions. Put in Some decent connections out of the harbour precinct and BOBS YOUR UNCLE.

What is really sad is that despite all the efforts of the many contributors here to inform people, the Federal Politicians of Werriwa and Fowler have not said much, yet the people elected them once again. Similarly at a State level, the incumbents also made it once again, what hope is there? Mind you, it’s disheartening to see that the best the local media can do is to concentrate an almost full page on Councillors choosing to have Ipads made available to them. No mention is made of the fact that they remain the property of the Council and have to be returned at the end of their term. What is even sadder is that some people actually consider the $300 purchase to be of major concern. BTW, I will be at rally and support it with as many of my family as I can muster! Clr Peter Harle

The fact that Politicians and Community Representatives of ALL pursuasions in our region were not doggedly fighting the scheme to close Sydneys Harbour right from the concept stage years ago is not lost on this matter.........Terrible consequences for Liverpool are in prospect due to the apparent lack of engagement by these people whom were elected to represent in South West Sydney..............Worst of all the lack of opposition to the then proposed Expansions to Port Botany have allowed the full displacement to the South Western Corridore to proceed unchecked.........Any efforts to justify the current unpalatable outcomes are Political Statements without Substance..........The South Western Sydney Corridore Community from Botany Bay to the Extremes of the Metropolitan Area face a dimished environment and quality of life as a result............! Ipads....for all their technology are no substitute for a sharp mind and pencil in my opinion.

Peter Harle don't kid yourself, these Federal Members may not have said much but one was reportedly heard to say that the project was good for the area and that if the studies came back they would be massaged to fit the site or words to that effect i.e.: to get it approved. Another one in a letter to a resident said that it was unlikely the project could be stopped. The Member for Werriwa also represents a large portion of Campbelltown. Campbelltown Council has already called on the Federal Government for the construction of the Moorebank Intermodals. Politicians in the Bankstown area have also been very silent despite this affecting them directly with the effects of the freight trains and increased container truck traffic. Some of these politicians were very vocal during the Holsworthy airport fight but now they are in positions of power and Government they don't want to upset the apple cart.

Peter Harle thanks for your support and I argree if the councillors need ipads give them one .On the Alan Jones the other morning he talked about the destruction of our rural land by the miming and gas companies from overseas.In Liverpool we have a similiar thing as the importd from oversesa will destroy our environment and health of our residents.If the volcanic ash can travel 4000 kms it doesnt take much nous to realise the diesel emmissions of thousands of trucks pose a monumental danger to residents of the area especially in winds like tuesday .Many residents in the area are totally unaware of the dangers of the biggest freight hub in Australia John Anderson wattle grove.0409368603

A number of residents tend to leave important things like saving our families to others .If you dont get involved in anything else support this rally and send a clear message we will fight to defend our families and community dont just say we will move as there could be a intermodal or other issue waiting at your new address john Anderson wattle grove.0409368603

Peter L, totally agree with your comments, the Member for Fowler, Chris Hayes, at the Leaders Forum conducted at the Casula Powerhouse Arts Centre stated that it would be good for Liverpool, justifying the $71M allocated by the Feds for “that” study. At that meeting Councillors argued against it, citing the impact of Traffic, pollution etc. In my humble opinion we need many more independents to ensure “party politics” don’t get in the way of what is in best interests of the community or indeed Australia. Sadly the current Federal Independents generate little confidence in their ability to do what is in the best interest of the majority of Australians.

@ Roy, wrt to the sharp pencil and Ipads, one is a virtually unlimited source of information, the other is to summarise that info as needed, depending on one’s ability, the pencil and paper can be dispensed with. However, it was meant to show relevance, the Intermodal issue is far more important than any ¾ page newspaper article meant to discredit Councillors on the pros and cons of Ipads.

The Confused Statements that do not Marry or Identify the entire scheme is what I object to from these Politicians Past and Present:.......Yes we have $71M for the Australian Engineers site being shown for these projects.......On top of about $200M for the Southern Sydney Rail Freight Line to comnnect them up (lets not talk about that)...... the $1B!!!!!! Port Botany Expansion How Huge is that too?......Thats just so far...then there is the Massive Road and Rail Connections, Decontaminations, Massive Bulk Earthworks, Expansions to M5 ( which will prove inadequate)And of course the Construction and Outfitting of Huge Gantry Crane Operations to operate 24 hrs a day 7 days a week along with trucks and trains on the Moorebank Ex Defence Area.......Well Done..... All of that and hardly anyone in authority knew or thought Liverpool and the South West should be defended from...?????????.... How Dare Liverpool encourage and accept young families to put down their roots in such a harsh place!

I wonder how many posters here have actually sent an email to each and every state and Federal Politician. The list is readily available from government websites. We need each and every one of them to realise we are unhappy. Let’s bombard them with emails and continue to do so until you get a reply. Clog up their email inboxes, sooner or later they will get the message, remember the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Change the subject title of your email to ensure that automatic filters don’t automatically delete them. Ask questions that ensure that they are obliged to reply. It’s worth a try, it is just as easy to send them an email as it is to post here!

The Community needs to be told the FULL SORRY STORY....... Councillor Harle, at this point the vast majority IN LIVERPOOL are ignorant of the full facts and Liverpool Council which could furnish via a sensible official newsleter on the subject has stood back leaving a confused and weary group of local residents to try to perform a Herculean Task!.........Instead of the whole matter seeing the light of day it is SIMTA one minute, Federal Government the next and a procession of villians in State and Federal Government, Opposition and Consultancies that are targeted. Your suggestion to COMPLAIN is good but we need the COMMUNITY not just a few already overstretched people to help.......How can they help if they are being treated as MUSHROOMS?

Roy,you missed the cost to move the School Of Military Engineering from Moorebank to Holsworthy. $741 million as per the defence department tender.

Clr Peter Harle thanks for your support and I totally agree that the councillors should have Ipads , these days every business supply there employees with Smart phones, BB etc.. What happened to the honest MEDIA, where are they? Reporting a cat stuck in a tree, but nothing about stripping communities for the right of fresh Air??? What happened to our MPs and so called representative?? Why they are silent? Why they are not fighting with the residents ? and actually where are they???? We have chosen to live in residential area and this should be the case forever, not for some corporate and Bad government decision makers to change it to the biggest Industrial Area in Australia and choose to ignore us??? NO , No and NO, who they think they are????

Thanks for that Alan.....How Much is all of this going to TOTALLY cost then???? What does Liverpool get out of it except to end up with an INDUSTRIALISED ENVIRONMENT? Jobs are Sydney City wide as it is.....not everyone works in Distribution or Transport by the way.......far from it. Tradies, Shop Workers, etc etc ......the vast majority of Liverpool Workers travel by Car!....Reducing their roads to glorified truck zones means shoulder to shoulder everywhere you go with these monsters if all compressed here in the South West. Liverpool the MUSHROOM CITY! Not MUSHROOM ON THE ROADS HERE in future if the Sydney Freight Plan is allwed to go unprotested whilst the residents are turned to fight components of it piecemeal.!! FIGHT THE SYDNEY FREIGHT PLAN and its affects all along the way that compound in Liverpool!

The reason the Bankstown area politicians are doing little is that they know that the East Hills line will need to come into play if this scheme is to work in its current form but don't want people in the East Hills, Panania, Revesby, Padstow, Riverwood, Narwee, Beverly Hills, Kingsgrove, Bexley North, Bardwell Park, Turrella, Wolli Creek and Tempe areas and so on to know what is going on. Have a good look at the upgrades going on all along the East Hills line under the innocent sounding Turnback project name. They can deny it all they want but those in the know will soon realise that and do not want the facts to come out to those along the East Hills line. This line will most probably be used to carry the overflow once the full Moorebank freight hub is up and running. How else do they really expect to meet their so called 40% target by rail.

Just thought I'd like to mention that a trip my husband and I took from Strathfield to Wattle Grove today leaving Strathfield at approximately 4pm took more than 1 HOUR. Most of the hold up being the M5 which was at a standstill at times and at a snail's pace at best. This is obviously common as it wasn't even mentioned on the traffic reports on the radio and there were no break downs or accidents which had caused this. HOW MUCH WORSE IS IT GOING TO GET IF THE INTERMODAL GOES AHEAD WITH ALL THOSE EXTRA TRUCKS ON THE ROAD? On another note, I hope Melanie Gibbons turns up to the rally on Sunday. She's been invisible and silent to our cause since the election after promising us to fight two weeks before the election.

Hi Jane poor Melanie who is sitting apparently on a Scuttled Ship Electorate....an electorate prone before the Sydney Freight Plan, to all observations trying to make a political career faced by a damoclese sword makes interesting conjecture......I agree with you under the circumstance, as she chose to represent.....she should be making like Joan of Arc and showing great public resistance in my opinion against the Sydney Freight Plan which manifests upon Liverpool.......However the silly voters whom are only concerned with their own agenda's they percieve directly affect their life situations do not care about what......... looks like a Localised Problem around inner Liverpool....The Greens, like the Labor Party and the Liberals all want the Sydney Freight Plan to Succeed, she has no chance of changing that so why should she try?.....for the group who Fielded a Candidate against her in an election she won by a mile?...,..too bad for them now.......?.....if you want to play politics you have to choose very carefully in my opinion to get the result you want.....Bad choice you end up quite isolated......... In Power Statewise for all intents that seems obvious. Crying now won't get any result, neither will criticism.... The roads are indeed an increasing mess and there seems no answer but the Greens want us to all to ride bikes....Have Fun!....... Fight that Freight Plan and quit trying to win on a local NIMBY basis or I think there is no way the situation is saveable......Everyone else does not want the problems either, in fact the inner city have just got rid of it our way ( with lots of assistance from their Politicals).. Whilst ours seem unable to raise dust! The South West Corridore from Botany Bay out to Liverpool and Beyond has to become involved or Moorebank will go ahead in my view....regardless of local protests. Thats why NATIONAL MEDIA COVERAGE IS SO IMPORTANT! Hope my posts have assisted and trust a big turnout understands the Massive Problem they actually face.

Roy that is a ridiculous statement and you have just insulted the Wattle Groves intelligence. And if they werent intelligent they would not have mustered such a crowd. These are INTELLIGENT people that would have gave her a PREFERENCE VOTE anyway, even if it wasnt written anywhere. I told my husband to vote a particular way but he still went and did his own thing and put in his own preferences. I would not play with fire because these guys have got a ridiculously huge email list. Come next election the seat can be gone too. Mp McDonald took his seat a little for granted last term. But I know for a fact many voted against him. That would NEVER have voted against him. All as a protest vote for not doing what they perceived to be enough work. Now Andrew has big time pulled up his sleaves.

And here is a show of CHARACTER... I stood side by side with Andrew McDonald. I giving out Greens pamphlets all avo. Him giving out his pamphlets. It was ridiculously uncomfortable and I thought when he won I was going to get ditched and all my issues were going to get ditched because of the "too bad for them attitude.." I mustered myself to call him. He called me back straight away and said Dara lets do this. He deserves to go far in Politics. I have the utmost respect for him now due to Character. It shows come hard times he will plough through them. And for the record people didnt vote Greens because of the carbon tax. They said it. Its about time we changed our own attitude to this area and stop thinking about our fellow neighbor as a dummie. Push comes to shove they all use there brains.

From what I can see it's pretty straight forward. Melanie Gibbons promised the residents to fight the intermodals before the election. She won the election and she's not done anything. Is that not breaking an election promise?

Mel's office in Hammondville is being painted today. There are no hours advertised as to what times she'll be at the office. It'll be interesting to see how much time she'll devote to this side of the eletorate. Her calender is free as of yesterday 'till August 2nd. Agood pportunity to catch up with her constituents don't you think, especially this Sunday.

The subject matter of this thread is....................... " The Polical Reality " At this Point only the Liberal Members Craig Kelly and Melanie Gibbons are OPPOSED to the Moorebank Plans........as far as I have seen Andrew Macdonald MP has not come out and supported the residents AGAINST the Sydney Freight Plan....is that correct? The Mayor apparently wants to wait and see, the other Labor Members are not exactly jumping out against the idea and thats just Locally. The amount of Upper Echelon Political Support is mournful................... Any ideas how to get help without making villains of the current non supporters?............... The next State Election is nearly 4yrs away and the thing may be operational by then, pressure tactics I doubt will work at all both State and Federally. How about asking the Members and Mayor to meet with the committee and View the Evidence Collected and Hear the Complaints First Hand?...................... A Public Information Meeting with Attendant Politicians would be a good way to approach this rather than this insistance they attend protest days without time to attend facilities for viewing evidence? It will surprise me if many Politicians of any influence in this matter turn up to the Protest Day, not much use same faces every time and no new Politician Supporters.

On every subsequent forum apart from the initial council/Powerhouse he has said health before ... (some-one else can fill the gap cant remember the exact word) . The other labor members like Chris Hayes Fowler and Lynch Fowler and most probably the Werriwa Fed Mp for it. The Werriwa Fed Mp would be for it because we are just a too tiny section of his electorate. Its pathetic that parts of Liverpool are lumped with Campbelltown. We have different issues different needs.

I put a big sign on melanies office window I hope she doesent mind I tried to get permission but her mibile was on voicemail and as ray said they are painting her office.I am still of the opinion that if any sort of health assessment is done it will rule the area out for the projects that will destroy the area.I hope to catch up with her to get her support in the matter as their is too much at stake.I have a number of streetcorner forms to hand out at rally to help get more input from more residents.This is going to be a long hard battle but Im sure we will win Joh

I tried to get information from the sydney ports authority about the number of LCL containers that come into the port but they said they dont have that kind of information but you can bet your bottom dollar that they intend to send most containers that contain a number of consignments and unpack it here as it doesent make sense to take a container from port botany out to moorebank and then back to newtown or other inner city destination which means say 300.000 containers could be multiplied by ten diesel trucks I dont think that is a underestimation. John Anderson wattle grove. 0409368603

Hi John, ........ The Simple Fact as you point out is that you get the Container Unpacking and Outward Delivery of assorted different client contents in a container.... Contents (which make up many container loads due to small quantity requirements spread over many companies) then you get the extra multiple journeys of many more trucks in and out. Fight the Sydney Freight plan to dump this problem from Inner Sydney to Liverpool wrecking our environment and roads!...Make them distribute from the Sea Port Precincts where these to be emptied containers at Moorebank will then have to be returned to anyway.

Thank you to all for your hard work today! Many Angry Families and Children all opposed to this Stupid proposal.

Excellent coverage on Chanel 10 news tonight! Congratulations to you all.

Roy - as always misrepresenting the facts. The Greens are the ONLY political party that has unilaterally opposed the intermodal site, from day one, and you know it. The truth is that you have venomously rejected and vilified any and every attempt by the Greens to help, as well as alienated many others who wanted a better outcome. The major parties at both State and Federal level (notwithstanding the views of some of their local reps) don't care about the issue - whilst ever they can confine it to a local (Liverpool) issue they figure the profits will far outweigh the damage. Until you can get the people of the entire M5 corridor and beyond seeing what problems are going to be caused and standing alongside the Wattle Grove residents, Macquarie St and Capitol Hill won't budge.

The greens have a policy of intermodals spread accross Sydney, the Moorebank site however is not supported by Bill or Signe. Have I got these facts right?

You know very well that we have consistently called for a network of smaller, rail-accessed intermodals outside the metropolitan environs. http://leerhiannon.org.au/news/inquiry-m... http://express.whereilive.com.au/news/st... http://www.streetcorner.com.au/news/show...

Thanks Bill, I wasn't sure of the details, the bit about outside the Sydney Basin didn't register.

Roy, I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Bill, and not just as a fellow Greens member. As a newer member of the Fairfield Liverpool Greens (FLG) branch, as well as a Moorebank resident, I was happy to try to take up this issue again. This included attending Sunday's event and getting myself and my family on the Channel 10 news piece, signing the petitions and forms, as well as starting to support it via the FLG Facebook and Twitter accounts, and my own Greens Facebook and Twitter accounts. However, I then get on here and am dismayed to see the Greens being splattered via your post. FLG are still a growing group out here, but surely we all need to work together?

Hi Craig and Bill...I welcome yr critique.....Pity the CITY Greens can dish it out but not take it though....... In fact the Closure of Sydney Harbour has produced this situation...and skirting about the semantics about what to do next is like trying to dam a sieve..... The serviceing of the needs of NSW will not be achieved by some imaginary massive new Freight Rail Network that will have to have special corridores constructed but rather by utilising the existing established Sydney Harbour Centric infrastructure..........Sidelineing Sydney Harbour, wharfes, Rail Sideings and Connected Heavy Freight Rail already in Place makes that impossible...........Liverpool and the South West will be the Distribution Capital of Australia soon...so getting Freight to Liverpool as well as out of the area is really important.........Simply demonstrating against a certain selected positioning will not as Bill points out achieve a result.......... In fact outer metropolitan fringe too far from Sydney Harbour and Port Botany Located Container Facilities are Useless if the idea is to bring it all back in to Distribution Points located in the Metropolitan Area......The City based Greens are too keen to woo inner Sydney votes and favour and in my opinion thier position is Diametrically Opposed to the interests of their representatives and we in the South West....... if they want to help..... Campaign to REOPEN our Sydney Harbour and share the burden rather than allowing it to be dumped in the South West!. Just Political Reality. ( I Forgot to add ...they are not in charge.......They just hold the Balance of Power in this Country)! Locally, yr support Craig and Bill is obviously appreciated even under the apparent difficult political circumstance)..

Outside of the Sydney Basin for Assembly and Unpacking of Containers and transfer to Trucks? then how pray tell will the Sydney Metropolitan Area be serviced by that mode?...........Trucks..... Hordes of them travelling even more road ks from outside of Sydney ..inwards then across the city far and wide adding oodles of emissions to the air and costs to the carraige of goods therof. Pipedreamers!...The answer is to unpack at the Sea Port and surrounds retaining the containers where they can be easily shipped back.........Deliver out on a decent ROAD NETWORK with Smaller Vehicles that can be converted to Low Emission Technology. BIG trucks ...Too Hard to convert...Create the circumstances to foster development of the technology....isn't that GREEEN? AT present we are carting back WITH a Semi Trailer over two tonnes of emoty steel box container per TEU burning fossil fuels needlessly in absolute abundance. OPEN SYDNEY HARBOUR or do it at Port Botany and get Road Connections across there.....shoving it Southwest continuing the wasteful industry modus operandai is Vandalism!.....Only my opinion....!

Hi Roy, thanks for the responses. From my point of view, I'm willing to help so long as the spirit of co-operation is always there. Makes sense as we're fighting the same cause here - no massive Moorebank freight terminal. How about for starters we stop using the term 'intermodal' - the general public don't get that. Terms like 'massive freight terminal' or something similar are going to do a whole lot better. Ok, next. If you're unhappy with the 'City' Greens then you really need to tell us who 'can dish it out but can't take it'. Lee Rhiannon has looked after this issue before her Senate election, and I have to tell you, she is a champion of our FLG work generally and helps whenever she can. Bill sent you links to that effect. (to be continued)

Right, next. I wouldn't be too harsh on 'City based' Greens unless the inner city Labor and Liberal alternatives are supporting a continuation (or expansion) of the 'established Sydney Harbour infrastructure'? The issue of what potential that infrastructure has to expand in future (to cope with needs well into the future) needs to be considered as well. Seems hard to believe that inner city infrastructure could cope, certainly not alone? Given that the future growth of Sydney and NSW is going to come from outside the inner city, 'a network of smaller, rail-accessed intermodals outside the metropolitan environs' starts to make some sense? (more to come)

OK, moving forward, I think. What Facebook or Twitter presence does Jim's group have? I can only see the blog, and I don't think it mentions next group meetings etc.? How about we get this started as next steps? Don't get me wrong here, I completely agree that we need to work with our local elected members who have expressed their support, even if they too face uphill battles. However, we need every avenue that we can get ... emails, letters, social media, pollies etc. Not saying it will be easy or achievable but we haven't covered every base yet (it seems to me). For now the focus is on increasing the groundswell of support and pressure, I reckon. Cheers.

Again, Roy, you sling insults rather than listen to anybody else's point of view. Your contention is that there should be a megamodal built at the docks and fleets of small trucks - from one central point - taking the goods across a city that is already gridlocked. God help those who live or work near there. Our proposal is to have multiple ports serviced by rail to multiple intermodal points outside the metro area, where small trucks can take unloaded goods to distribution warehouses wherever they are located. And you call us pipedreamers - what you want is for someone else to take the brunt of any development, as long as it's not Moorebank - your way or the highway. You're more harm to the cause than good.

Bill you are always on the political defensive I guess thats yr perogative. Sydney has grown around it's Harbour and the arrival points for freight are well established there......In order to accomodate this "Sydney Freight Plan" the Sydney harbour attributes are being abandoned. Existing Railway Freightline connections to White Bay etc are being mothballed to turn into Light Rail when the corridore is evolved for Heavy Freight with buildings turned away from the tracks/deep cuttings etc etc. The Light Rail proposed will compete against already established heavy rail corridores nearby and will make the trip to the Sydney CBD TWICE as long as catching a regular train......... The ideas to use the now Derelict areas for a Cruise Ship Terminal have been Blown Away by the FACT that the new cruise ship Generation is TOO TALL to fit under the Harbour Bridge........In fact the justifications to close container facilities at our WELL LOCATED Harbour are a load of Hogwash!........ Now they want to move the NAVY out of the harbour and use Garden Island for the Cruise Ships!........I think putting everything at Port Botany is a bad move....it restricts the Container Freight to one corridore when we have TWO Corridores available to us for a start.......It takes a Semi Trailer to carry a 2 TEU Container( Weighing 5 Tonnes) that is EMPTY. Save the Trip......Keep it at the Multiple Ports ( unload and deliver from there with dedicated outward bound Truck Routes not Multiple Inland Ports increasing Movements required.....Reduce VOLUME of Movement! 1Million Full Containers = 1 Million x the Contents Volume then 1 Million Empty Containers to take up our roads as well ( because the Vast Bulk Will not go By Train Anyway to anywhere and are going to be trucked from the Port of Botany Regardless up the M5 as things stand why not use all of the Seaboard attributes for Freight Handling? ). ANSWER: We have to keep the Inner City Happy by ruining the whole rest of the Regions. Re-Open our Harbour or the whole Freight Scheme will happen in my opinion.

As always Roy tells half a story, the Greens proposal is to open both Newcastle Port and Port Kembla, from there train them through the likes of Malden Dumbarton etc then feed by train and truck to locations all along the seaboard... you also fail to mention that when we attempted to work with you and the group, you told me (& Bill) if we wouldn’t do as you said you didn’t want our help. That being the case, we are working with our Parliamentarians both state and Federal, albeit without your approval and have continued to do so since 2004. I’m fine that you don’t support the Greens but the truth would be nice” Signe Westerberg Liverpool Fairfield Greens www.signe4liverpool.wordpress.com

Yes Signe----then they can RAIL the containers into Moorebank from Newcastle and Port Kembla in my opinion. Food for thought?...I think so. Open the Harbour.

So...we will have containers potentially arriving by train from....Port Botany....Newcastle AND Port Kembla?......I would say no doubt.....probably from all Eastern States too...The saving here of course is some handling around our Sydney Harbour Area in my opinion.,,,,The Moorebank Freight Conglomeration will DEVOUR Liverpool if it is allowed to happen. We all as individuals are contributing even if there is no political basis.....I am only making observations and suggestions to try to find a logical way out of avoiding the destruction of the environment of our entire region. My way or the Highway....? .... ....... The manifesto I put forward here is my own, you are entitled to yr own views. I just do not agree Moorebank is the way to go.. even more so..in light of the facts now at hand....including the Health, Safety, Traffic and Noise affects on the whole community and on our Region.....Instead of Criticising me (a resident) WHY don't you Hold a Rally!......or.... ( Write a LOT of Anti Moorebank Intermodal Posts on Streetcorner for a change).....going into great detail like John Anderson, myself and others repeatedly telling the details as they come to hand of why it is a bad idea?.

Not defensive, Roy - just don't suffer ignorant people who have a single-minded agenda, and thoroughly sick of your malicious rants. Stopped to wonder why nobody wants to work with you?

All the issues can be resolved by dopting the Sydney Rail Circle. Put the service ways underground. Precision delivery points will make this a sustainable solution for our great city of Sydney. In modern cities this will be the way of the future.

Roy, we have said all along, Moorebank should be a small part of the whole freight solution not the entirety of it... we oppose the mega terminal. Again if you read your comments you will see why we have remained silent on street corner on this issue, your obsessive ‘my way or the highway attitude’ doesn’t allow for other opinions and overrides anyone you don’t agree with. We have read and do read all the documentation etc we can get our hands on, however holding another rally when in fact I attend some of yours seems fruitless and less productive use of time. Plus it has been made clear to me I am not welcome at your events, that if asked when I do show to quote who invited me, to attend under these circumstances is less than inviting. Sadly Roy I’m not sure I want to work with you, your aggressive tone and nasty comments can be avoided by not posting here on street corner....which reminds me why I’ve stayed silent here for so long. Good day to you!

Okay Signe I for one will not miss yr input......Bill your modus operandai of personal jibes does nothing to further the community fight against the Sydney Freight Plan.......The Casula residents are facing hell and high water with more rail noise potential if the policies of the Greens as espoused are adopted. ........Craig.......you sound positive...I think you can benifit the community.....you should speak with Jim MCGoldrick....he is leading the Protest with his organisation South West Sydney Community Alliance they are now apparently the new committee................ Plans for further protest are no doubt in the planning stage and there are now a number of political supporters including the Liberals Kelly and Gibbons, Liberal Councillors and Independant Councillors Liverpool. The Local Newspapers are supportive, you should contact them to affirm your support Locally. Thank you for yr offer to get further involved.

Roy - you don't even know what the policies of the Greens are - you've never read any, because the rubbish you continually write shows a total lack of any understanding. As for my "modus operandi" don't forget I have copies of all the abusive emails you've sent me through the intermodal issue - they would make an interesting read for anyone who wants to see "personal jibes". Nice try with the "you seem a good guy Craig" spiel - given that your dislike for people is predicated on their political leanings, it won't be long before I suspect you'll be slagging him too.

Children, children,..... play nice now, and show us how adults should behave, after all this isn't the parliamentery "bear pit"

Okay Ray we all have a choice whether to join a public forum or not so reasonable jockeying I think I and anyone else would be tolerant to now if it is ok with you lets talk about the Sydney Freight Circle......The idea we both have seen to build a network of tunnels under sydney surrounds to get freight from Port Botany around to a number of intermodals some day......( none of which are proposed except Moorebank ).........I agree if it materialised as per the presentation it would alleviate traffic in INNER SYDNEY...more so than our way though......However on closer inspection...a Single Tunnel out to just Moorebank would be the more likely AFFORDABLE scenario that could actually happen with political will so the problems for Liverpool would be pretty much the same if the easiest course was followed wouldn't they?........ I cannot see how a Major City can close the harbour it was developed around without wrecking half the joint. Any plan is then a band aid on a gaping wound. What do you think? Why not such tunnels from Sydney Harbour as well if it comes to that? We are after all just concerned about our own lives being ruined are we not?

Reasonable Jockying Bill does not include personal vilification of me......I have BEGGED you to help the Liverpool Community in MANY e/mails and your responses were that the Greens are TOO BUSY with other issues in Liverpool......That the Intermodal ISSUES are just another on the list as you put it........I did tell you that the Greens risked being seen as irrelevant in the Moorebank Intermodal fight by not being more proactive.,,,,,,, Now I tell you I am not Leading this protest...have no control of at any protest at all and except for the Parliament House Protest ( where there were no official speakers)have not LED the protest in a general way because it was a Committee run organised by Council Show. Councillors had a lot of say about SPEAKERS okay? Finally I think attacking private residents like me who are pointing out the obvious shortcomings of the Greens Policy demonstrates simply that your Party cannot take criticism...lets move on...... the Greens Party in Liverpool are not much help apparently in the Community effort against the Proposed Moorebank Intermodal Multiple Projects List to be frank. Get Real Bil1!

The Sydney Freight Circle was an idea presented to the government of the day, rejected out of hand for whatever reason. The concept of having it underground is becoming more and more valid for the Sydney basin. It is after all a rapid fire system of moving containers quickly in smaller but more efficient quantities. For this system to work there needs to be a fundamental change. The whole of the Port Botany has to work as one, not the disjointed operation it is now. Keep in mind this is for the Sydney basin, not state-wide, for that we will still need heavy rail. Just think, under ground to whatever location is optimum for further distribution and not having to buy up corridors at astronomical prices. Even today if Eastern Creek was to be developed, the underground option will have to be the solution as the acquisition of the corridor above ground is now almost impossible without incurring a huge cost and upheaval. Dare to dream, in the future as the container comes off the ship it’ll be put on single carriage and is delivered to its intended distribution centre automatically. Until such time we need to work towards such a system.

There is no reasoning with you, Roy - and I am not the only person to have tried. How about letting the people of Casula know the truth - that you abused me for putting effort into the noisewall issue when you felt I should have been doing nothing there and everything on the Moorebank issue. And tell them how you said their issue was unimportant. And why don't you also tell them how I told you that I do this stuff in my spare time, and the I don't have the personal bandwidth to spend on every issue in the area, but again that wasn't good enough for you. Don't pretend to be a hero - you're not - you were quite happy for the Casula issue to be dropped as long as you got what you want on Moorebank. You think the Greens are irrelevant? Go suck up to the Libs then, because I don't care what you think.

I am so sorry for the residents of Casula that pursued the noise walls only.... spending themselves all out when the Freight Trains the very line was being built for Were Coming to MOOREBANKS Planned Intermodals in the future in FAR greater numbers than they ever dreamed would be eventuating...I kept telling till some listened. DARA......was quick off the mark. In fact they should have been protesting against the Southern Sydney Freight Line Scheme to Feed Intermodals at Moorebank itself.....The whole Scheme had been a CON by the Authorities all along.....So they face the whole lot now........Trains, Road Transport, Emissions beyond belief! As Dara says many are so tired now from the noise barriers efforts they cannot fight anymore..... I think differently than you by the looks on this..... did you misunderstand my angle completely? I was not against noise walls for those folk but saw the concentration on them a dilution of the massive issues I knew myself at that stage that this whole community would face......I was already well advanced in discovery....getting the facts in order and understanding to transfer knowledge to others was the problem in the early phase. I thought you would uptake and was dissapointed by yr response. You have no reason to hold back now Bill....Help McGoldrick and the Committee and the Good Councillors before it is too late to do so. This is the Future of the South West...Fairfield and Liverpool will be hard hit. Represent the Southwest First, then yr Party. Be my Hero.Okay?

What are you on about Roy. The Libs and labour are the only ones who can do anything about the intermodal as they hold power. Your problem is they both want it to go ahead even though they pay you lip service that they don't. Just have a look at the money that they have already spent on Rail and expressways around Liverpool. I don't think either colour will want that money to go to waste. By the way a lot of people in Liverpool want it as it will bring Jobs and new business to liverpool. As always anything new and beneficial to the community Governments try to do is O K as long as it's not in my back yard and in this case not in yours.

Hi Lofty....Great......a Power Station would be a good jobs base too....and a Steel Works would employ heaps. In the 1940's ideal in a Residential surrounded area....not now though....people are a tad health conscious these days. I am quite aware the two major parties are in favour of the project...under no illusions. However the Families of Liverpool Count and will not be sacrificed as long as good people refuse to comply. Sorry to dissillusion you but no way will Moorebank be the site of a Freight Zone now........Too many people know it will be a death warrant for them.... Where do you live lofty? Bet you have not attended a community information night and seen the Health Files on Emissions from Freight Operations? Why the whole South West of Sydney faces an LA type atmosphere...do you want to end up living with that when alternatives exist? Why in a country with a population of 20 odd Million do we want to emulate the problems of a country of over 300 Million? Time to rethink the Sydney Freight Plan...Liverpool and the South West will not be crushed!

Roy, ever been to Botany mate, have you ever driven down Botany road to the port? Might have noticed an airport there too, you don't see people from there swapping for a Liverpool address. They may not like it but they're not choking to death. As a resident who cannot afford to buy a house in Botany I guess I will never know. I think you should take a trip into the real world mate, or stop smoking whatever you are smoking. People need jobs to pay mortgages and the country needs to move ahead not be stuck in the past with minimal infrastructure. Anyway it's going to happen, lets hope it is done right with all parties having input including The Greens .

Well, lots of posts to catch up on here since my last post - a lot to summarise. Roy, it's good that you think I sound positive, but maybe that's because I haven't been though what Bill and Signe have been through in paving the way for the Greens out here. I am however no less a very proud Greens member. If that means people can't accept me, or I'm not welcome, then I won't be able to do too much about that. I would also be a fool to keep helping if the Greens keep getting splattered by people when, as Bill says, we have been the only party to unilaterally oppose the massive Moorebank development. Right - that said - time to summarise: (next post)

OK, in summary: * We are all against a massive freight terminal at Moorebank. Pretty clear there, I think. * We agree to disagree on Roy's Sydney Harbour manifesto versus multiple ports serviced by rail to multiple intermodal points outside the metro area. I don't think we need to keep attributing the Sydney Harbour issue to the Greens until inner city Liberal and inner city Labor support for Sydney Harbour becomes apparent. * Noted that Roy is not leading this issue and that maybe forward options exist in supporting/working with SWSCA and others if a spirit of co-operation and being welcomed exists. Happy if anyone wants to disagree with this summary but I think it's as good of a full stop as any before moving forward.

I say this....The industry, Airport and Pollution in Botany are Historic.....no one there is there because they moved to a clean air zone....Liverpool has been as clean as it can be recieving the foul air from the city as it does....and there are no clearing sea breezes here like occur around Botany......is more dirty air appropriate for the children in our districts to breathe?....Make your own choice.

Craig...you can contribute or not...yr Politics are not the point....do you want to help yr community?...if so then do so.

We need jobs and infrastructure alright, not the measly 600-700 on offer, but the 30,000+ these Intermodal employment lands can easily support. If these Intermodals go ahead it'll be nothing short of criminal negligence by the minister who signs off on them.

Yes the Casula LINKS ESTATE guys are worn out how many angles have we been attacked on. I have never heard of a estate like us being attacked on so many issues. Yes we most probably did have the wool pulled over our eyes. Well ARTC said ...IF the intermodal goes ahead. Not when. Lets be frank here Roy. You and I both did not understand how BIG this thing was until we went to the Campbelltown forum. Yes I saw the emails saying drop their issue and focus on the intermodal. That was not right. There was a social injustice about the "silly people" not getting protection yet standing aside for progress. Just like the M5 issue now. The silly people branded by a person representing a group who nicely put anonymous mail in my letter box(by the way I know who you are) Well those silly people werent so silly. They worked damn hard for those barriers. And they deserve them and Bill and Signe did help a lot. Its pathetic that people have "DISTANCED" themselves from us residents. Their constituents!!! It was pathetic that many previously active supporters did not attend the angry day by US RESIDENTS. I put money towards that day. Nansi, Peter Allan, Brian to mention a few put money towards that day and Not to mention the time put in organising that day. If you only knew how tired we are. Yet the same group turn up to the leaders forum tonight. Why because we give a damn. Drag ourselves to these events. We all agree(and if we dont agree by now, tell us that we are wasting our time and that people arent reading and not interested). This should not be placed in mid suburbia in a pollution basin such as Liverpool. This is not a nimby issue as I have mentioned previously this is an issue for better planning. Council would not have been invited to the states if there isnt ample evidence suggesting intermodals should not be placed in mid suburbia. There is ample evidence to support that. But it takes time to read and many people just do not read!! Now on two occasions both ARTC and RTA were surprised that I have read the reports. It has become blatantly obvious we are a society that does not read or else this intermodal issue based soley on health aspects would be blown out of the water. Anyone supporting this just affirms your not listening and your not reading. How blue in the face can we go. There is a whole site dedicated/ summarised to the facts. Yet who has read the site properly. Again put together by us Idiot residents that want to fight for what we believe in.Who question our own sanity every day,why we arent moving and leaving this mess to you all and tomorrow when your child has asthma, you respiratory,Liverpool health issues skyrockets, we sit back and say told you so. Jobs what jobs? I am an industrial engineer. I will be the first employed by the intermodal to automise the process even more and get rid of the bulk of Liverpudlians. Bipartisan?? and in that thankyou to Signe,Peter Harle, Gary Lucas, Ned Mannoun Jim McGoldrick naturally and Craig Kelly and Melanie for showing up. We the residents sent out so many invos. So much for supporting constituents. Chris Hayes today at the forum said he doorknocks well when he was in my electorate not once did he knock on my door nor any of my friends/neighbours. You know what Roy I agree with you there' everyone including yourself start supporting us your local resident. As the saying goes if everyone fixed their backyard you fix the world. This is all just depressing

Roy, that's an interesting comment, because obviously Signe and Bill's experiences are that their politics have counted against them in the past when they have tried to help (and I don't need to tell you I think highly of both of them). Anyway, for me, time will tell whether my politics are not the point. By the way, I've already started contributing, and will keep doing so until I'm not welcome or something similar.

Lofty - just thought I'd let you know it's not necessarily going to happen. This is not a done deal! People power can stop this if enough residents get behind it. Like Ray Van says, there are other industries that would provide far more jobs for this area than a fully automated intermodal that spews out toxic fumes 24/7. I will not sit back and let this go ahead and there are plenty like me! Also any politician who is with us in this fight is fine by me. Congtatulations to Jim McGoldrick and Craig Kelly for their excellent work!

Thanks Jane - agree. :)

Apologise for the length:):) Streetcorner have a restriction on length:):) And thankyou streetcorner for coming to us the people not the other way around. You can see I am not impressed

Signe and Bill's Politics have not counted against them as far as I am concerned at any stage Craig.....They have allways been welcome to contribute as South Western Representatives of the Greens....in fact I have encouraged them to do so even though I do not agree with the City Greens who I believe are not helping Liverpool very much at all.....but when I criticise the lack of Greens Resolve to specifically protect Liverpool generally then Signe and Bill are drawn in regrettably though it is not their fault but their parties ..........Perhaps the nuances of the situation will take you some time to get aquainted with....this issue has been gathering for many years....Signe along with Dara and myself were witnesses to the CILTA Seminar where the Infrastructure Australia Representative stated that our area would be faced with the IMPOSITION of the Projects --Like it or not!.......Thats where we stand even now......Facing an Imposition...Regardless of the Negative Impacts on our Region..........All to free up space around Sydneys Harbour Suburbs by despoiling and retrenching existing wharfes, handling sheds. heavy rail links etc and displace the problems into the South West at Moorebank.

Well Craig, good to hear some reasoning here. There is a fight and all (even Roy) are involved and welcome. The South West Sydney Community Alliance SWSCA was formed by myself in the 90's to support community justice when the then Liberal Government wanted to build Sydney.s second Airport at Holsworthy. We now have both Liberal and Labor Governments wanting to give us the two Moorebank Intermodals, now we only need to work twice as hard. As for Signe and Bill while I strongly oppose 99% of the Greens policies I do show them the respect for what they do in the community and always will.Shame the greens are propping up the Labor Camp crims. For us to have a win we need to work together to achieve our goal. Craig, come an have a coffee with me sometime soon. www.nointermodal.com contact me via: 7674np@gmail.com Tunnel you anger to our enemies, Labor, Liberal and Multi Nationals. God knows they dont need our help.

Yesterday.....Saturday 28th Jan 2012 whilst calling on properties to situate signs.....I met out the front of his home...a local resident I have known for many years...but have not seen for a good while round and about.....he is an Aeronautical Engineer by Profession I believe....I had a conversation with him explaining the apparent impending Freight Zone problem with the no less than Three Possible Major sites involved and Two Major Intermodals so far proposed with the third site a shoe in for Transport and Warehousing Developments....His Comment???? There should be a public meeting about this so people can be informed!!!!!!! That is what the problem is? Liverpool Council, regardless of the good actions of some...Have FAILED to inform their own communities in detail the realities here about the massive problem so many remain ignorant.....That is really sad....that is why I put up signs......Coucil could sort this out...but they will not!

Liverpool Council should be writing to every ratepayer in person explaining the entire freight zone projects in lucid and complete known detail....informing them officially of the two proposals before the Government and informing them that West Wattle Grove has been Rezoned Industrial and may form part of the Freight Hub!......Instead of leaving responsibility to Jim McGoldrick and SWACA, Craig Kelly and so on to deliver flyers by junk mail means.....Council should be properly assisting its ratepayers to be informed fully of the potential negative impacts of Air Pollution, Traffic and Noise that could emerge as well as any benifit it sees fit to present......I think Council has a moral responsibility here....and in addition may be derelict in it's duty of care by duck shoving the task to others.....I would like to see Council as a LOcal Government Body debate their responsibilities to inform residents Individually with their Rate Notices so as to maximise input to the EIS processes that have now commenced!...Enough Chicanery!

Roy, I have listened to your past two comments and must be careful as to what I say because there are some hard workers in Council. Having said that I would like to know the full plans for Liverpool and surrounding areas. Is Council being treated like mushrooms? Are some Council officers working against the community feelings? All of these answers I do not know. One man I put my support behind because of his honesty when he was hired as General Manager Mr Farooq Poetelli may have the answers you want,so I have forwarded this page to him to give some answers. Unlike the Mayor and some others he has no ties with political parties who control his thinking and plot his destiny. He has my support, lets see what the answers are. You remember my fear many years that that regional jets and air freight would be coming to Bankstown, Sadly with the two inter-modal and coal trains also coming we are being attacked on many sides.Then we have both political parties Labor and Liberal wanting these results with most politicians following the party master with only some with what it takes to defy the party monster. We are strong, we will win, we are the people. Qpinions expressed here are those of Jim McGoldrick M.0410740399 & email: 7674np@gmail.com They are NOT Liverpool Council policy or opinions.

Well we know that Mayor Wendy Waller is definitely working against some of the councillors and definitely against what the residents want in relation to these freight terminals. I think some very serious questions need to be asked of her.

Hi Jim, thanks for your post. It would be good to catch up for a coffee soon, so I'll contact you via email. I'm very much a proud local Greens member, so I have lots of respect for the work that Signe and Bill do, but I agree with you that this issue is above politics. We are all in this together as local residents.

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