Well said K & J - I'm sure that the proponents of the brewery pub would not apppreciate one being established 25 metres from their own bed room window

Well said, K & J! I want to join you in your extended hand of qualified cooperation to the would-be developers of Young Henry's brewery come pub. The hostility towards this DA from local residents who would be unable to screen out or soften the huge impact this proposal would have upon their lives is not personal animosity towards the developers behind the proposal. It's just exactly the despairing 'No, please don't invade and destroy our homes and neighbourhood!' that the individuals in the development application would feel and declare, just as keenly, if they were living cheek by jowl in the narrow streets and lanes that would be utterly overwhelmed by the anti-social impact of this OR ANY SUCH SIMILAR large-scale drinking and eating establishment. This would be an equally unwelcome proposal to put up for ANY of the large old warehouse or factory buildings dotted throughout the jokingly dubbed 'Paris End' of Surry Hills residential precinct. To date, City of Sydney Council has wisely restricted use of such buildings - each one of them potential 'Trojan horse' sites for incompatible late-night trading use in residential enclaves - to appropriately quiet commercial re-use or residential conversion only. The development of the Crown Street strip as a high-impact late-night trading zone is already approaching saturation point and becoming OVER-development. The pressure on residents' ability to park anywhere near home is already very wearing. Drunks are already wandering loudly down quiet lanes after midnight to find their cars, stopping to urinate in a quiet corner that happens to be somebody's front door. Crime rates are already high, and climbing in Surry Hills. Extended-hour late night trading and its binge-drinking patterns is closely associated with a rise in fights, assaults, petty damage to property, and of course major noise disturbance wherever they have been permitted, whether that is Manly, Balmain, Coogee or Surry Hills. It can only tolerated where it can be effectively tightly confined in ways that insulate surrounding neighbourhoods from destructive impact as far as possible, and even then it is becoming barely manageable. Ask your local police station how they regard the pressure extended-hour pub licenses already puts onto policing efforts. And do not for a moment think this development, if approved, will not push for even more extended hours as time goes on. If Council allows such full-on heavy-duty high impact development to drift away from Crown Street and the few long-established licensed premises on the hillside down towards Central Station, and to invade the quiet, narrow residential areas around Bourke Street through to South Dowling, it would be consensually destroying the livability of one of Sydney's most charming and unusual residential precincts. The very atmosphere that makes this end of Surry Hills so attractive to proposals like Young Henry's would rapidly decay under the very impact of proposals like Young Henry's. The Young Henry's developers proposing this DA live safely well out of reach of its very high impact. To date they have kept pretty much safely out of contact with anyone who would be so heavily impacted by their DA. It would be excellent if they started entering into conversation with those of us who would have to live with the noise, stink, traffic, invasion of privacy, drunks, danger, damaged neighbourhood and financial losses that would flow day and night from this development. The DA speaks of community consultation. Well, better late than never. This DA in fact does us a kind of perverse good turn by raising a significant precedent for the entire 'Paris End of Bourke Street' neighbourhood, and the City of Sydney, to carefully scrutinise and ponder. A kind of 'bell wether' to rouse public interest in thinking about their community and what kind of active care Council is taking to look after it. Imagine how long this development application would survive if it were being proposed for a site a couple of blocks off Oxford Street, Paddington, or Queen Street, Woollahra. What would you give it? Five minutes? What makes the developers think an equivalent site in Surry Hills is fair game? Is it the fact that elderly long-term residents with poor English, and housing commission residents, are still part of the mix in Surry Hills? It's a great mix, a successful one, of which we who live here are very happy about. Let's keep it intact and flourishing, not fragmented and crushed by large-scale, warehouse-size late night trading pubs and restaurants intruding far from the restricted zone already established for them. Young Henry's - are you aware that there are already 24 established pubs in our small suburb, and a dozen former pubs with licenses transferred to other premises? Have you investigated buying or leasing premises in a designated area for what you propose? As K & J point out, The Local Taphouse is a fine example of intelligent re-use of an existing licensed pub in an appropriate zone. Why are you not following suit, rather than trying to push your way into quiet residential areas and force such extremely unwanted development onto the very people who have put years and decades into making this such an attractive and interesting part of Sydney, opening the way for your kind of business to flourish? It's very true that we'd much rather be your patrons than your detractors. But as 30+ strenuous objections to your development and a number of petitions to Council are making very clear, the only appropriate response to your highly inappropriate proposed development at 272-286 Devonshire Street is and will remain a simple, forceful 'No!' In fact, your DA might well have sparked the beginning of a Residents' Action Group determined to defend the residential amenity, village atmosphere and community feel of Surry Hills against further out of place, out of scale developments that would be so hostile to those values. I join K & J in asking you to find common ground with the residents and potential customers of your proposed 'artisan beer' establishment, instead of setting such a firm collision course with those of us who have a committed, long-term relationship to maintaining our highly livable neighbourhood - values and appeal that are exactly what have attracted you and your many potential patrons to it. Your short term commercial gain seems fully prepared to exploit that in the act of destroying it. Please sit down with us and discuss this openly.

Well said K&J. As local resident 50 meters from the site I agree completely.

All of us who live near the inner city fight an ongoing battle against how our neighbourhoods are perceived. I was told today, "you can't complain about the Brewery, because you live in the middle of a 'cafe culture'". But frankly, If someone says they live in Leichhardt, you don't assume they live on Norton Street, In Glebe you don't assume Glebe Point Road or Bridge Street, In Annandale you don't assume Booth Street, In Paddington you don't assume they live on Oxford Street. And in Surry Hills, we don't all live on Crown Street. Let's limit the large pubs and restaurants to where they belong, and let people quietly live their lives in the rest of the suburb.

A simple no: Having been to similar restaurants in places like the US, New Zealand and Canada i can see what Richard is trying to achieve and I don't think you really understand how much like a pub this isn't going to be. There won't be early morning fights from rowdy drunks as you suggest. It appears as though this is going to an elegant beer and food matching restaurant - probably closer to The Redoak Beer Cafe in Clarendon Street - have you ever seen drunks fall out of that place? No. And that's cos of the cultured and respectful atmosphere inside. I tire of the backwards attitudes of Australians in relation to beer. It's all about getting pissed on VB - I can see how you could misunderstand and think this is just another "pub" with all the "noise, stink, traffic, invasion of privacy, drunks, danger, damaged neighbourhood" that goes along with it but this is not what these sorts of places are like and Richard is one a only a few who are actually attempting to change this with intelligently brewed craft beers. I would happily have this venue in my suburb if there was an opportunity.

Gourmet zymurgist: I think you will see if you read with care that noone is objecting to it being 'in the suburb', if it is in either a licensed or previously licensed premises or confiend to the Crown Street 'high impact' (late night closing, more than 120 patrons) hospitality zoning. We are just not going to allow the livability of our homes and lives to be destroyed by a wildly out of place and out of scale development. And 'Gourmet', I'm afraid you would respond in exactly the same way if you were under the same threat. No amount of use of the words ' craft', or 'intelligent', or 'cultured and respectful', or 'locally sourced', or or 'elegant' can magic away the actual pressures, from 7.30am to past midnight, seven days a week, that this development would subject us to as immediate neighbours, to the point of making our homes unlivable. Think: the delight of hops stink, daily garbage and bottle removal noise and smell, deliveries in the impossibly narrow streets we actually live on, backing truck sounds - eek eek eek, parking and traffic nightmares not just on Friday and Saturdays nights but every night of the week, loud conversations and smokers corner on our front doorsteps, industrial strength kitchen exhaust fans, airconditioning noise on the rooftop adjoining our living room windows. Come on, get real mate, if you are prepared to say you would happily have this venue not just in your suburb but right in your living room and bedroom every night of the week, you're not just Richard's good friend but a complete hypocrite. And Richard, I think it's time you stopped getting your mates to talk to us and came and talked to us yourself. Truly. Come into our houses, look at the angles of view, the proximity, the undeniable impact and theft of personal and neighbourhood amenity, and think about our lives. Ask yourself how you would feel facing the dismal prospect you have decided is just fine for all of us, who have lived here for the past 10-40+ years. Please, Richard, consider this a genuine invitation. Our neighbourhood group, DSERN (Devonshire Street East Residents Network), inspired into being by the very inappropriateness of your development application, would be very interested to host a fact-finding mission for you and your consortium of partners, none of whom live in proximity to this development. And to get it moving, ask yourself this: if this was a reasonable development proposal, would it have received 57 highly detailed and passionate objections - even though it was lodged immediately before Christmas in exactly the time it could hope to slip through without anyone being around to object?

Why does no one give specific reasons WHY they are against this development? What is it that scares you?!? I read about all these locals kicking up a fuss, but no mention of why...other than vague assumptions that it is going to "impact the environment". But, how? Are you concerned for the "type of people" the business will attract, possibly anti-social or violent behaviour spilling out into the street...? Or is it a noise issue? Or just the trading hours? Personally, I would welcome such a microbrewery pub in my street! From the many such venues I have been to (which are often filled with families), I have never experienced anything that I would not want near my family. I think of them more as a cafe, because they tend to attract an easy going and cultured crowd who are there for the dining experience, not just to drink and get drunk, liked you may find a pokie-pub with $10 bistro meals. You should be more specific about your objections, else you will get no where in your "fight".

JD: You will be relieved to know that the objections are very specific indeed, there is nothing vague about them, and they are all on record with City of Sydney council. It's obvious now the developers simply got the wrong street for their proposal. It was YOUR street they were looking for. You can make a poor, misunderstood, intelligent, artisan craft beer maker very happy. Simply, you and 'Gourmet' must give the development consortium your street addresses immediately, so they can locate the microbrewery right where it will receive a royal welcome!

You buy a house next to an industrially zoned warehouse, then get upset when someone wants to use it within its intended purpose? It seems delusional.

Yet still...no one will publicly publish, announce or explain their specific objections! Why?? Maybe I'll be more sympathetic to your cause if I could read a valid reason why you feared for your street? And yes, I will contact Richard Adamson to let him know that his endeavors would be most welcome in my street! I just had a look at the DA on the City of Sydney website and it all looks comprehensive and positive to me, in terms of environmental and society impact. Therefore, without knowing why anyone objects to the the Young Henry's development, I'll be offering my support to Richard.

Toby, the warehouses in Surry Hills situated in residential areas have become, variously, residences, shops, offices, gyms, but this is the first time someone has thought a thin-walled, echoey warehouse was perfect for a late-night 200 patron pub. JD, it's great that the DA is now moving to your street. When you read the 57 objections, you might begin to see the shortcomings in the DA and rethink your desire to live next door to it. What did you think of the commissioned Noise Report, for instance, which the DA reassures us takes care of all possible factors. Did it make good reading and good sense to you?

What noise report? The acoustic engineer's report was not submitted with the DA. The building has been a long standing commercial premise. Its use, however, has always been confined to businesses that have had very low impact on neighbouring residences. The fact that 276 Devonshire is mixed zoning belies the fact that it is surrounded on 3 sides by residential zoning. Hotels and pubs (which this ‘brewery’ really is) have been confined to Crown Street or to Cleveland Street and the sections of Devonshire St west of Crown Street where they have been established since the 19th century. In fact this is probably the first proposal to establish a pub in Surry Hills in the last 90 or 100 years. The fabric of the building is not suitable for the intended purpose. It is a recycled brick warehouse with timber floors and internal structures. It is a large reverberation chamber. The conversations of employees in the existing offices can be heard from outside the building in the daytime when the windows are closed and the background noise is higher than at night. One can only imagine the noise generated by 200 people, particularly at night when the background ambient noise is lower. Another source of noise will be mechanical noise generated by the operation of the venue. It is proposed to install compressors and refrigeration units on the roof on the north eastern corner only 6 metres away from bedrooms. They will operate 24/7. The kitchen exhaust will operate until midnight 6 days a week and 11pm on Saturdays. The objections of the residents are not aganist craft brewers. The fact is that the building is not suitable for ANY hospitality use. There is a perfect site for Young Henry's in Surry Hills. Its called the Hopetoun Hotel on Bourke St which is closed and could easliy be converted to a micro-brewery in a similar way to the the Palace Hotel on Flinders was converted into The Local. It is an existing pub and there would be no where near the resident objections as there are to the Devonshire St site. And the residents would be happy to go there for a beer.

I am neither a good friend of Richard's (have met him once a few years ago when he was with Baron's) nor a hypocrite. I'll state it again - I would happily have this venue in my suburb (even my street) if there was an opportunity. But unfortunately, I did not move into a house across the road from an industrial wharehouse. It doesn't matter how much you spin the it was "residences, shops, offices, gyms" etc - a wharehouse zoned as industrial is a wharehouse zoned as industrial. What did you honestly expect when you moved in nextdoor? That prime, central Sydney, industrial real estate would stay vacant? That maybe someone would turn it into a 10am-4pm library pitched at old ladies? If I'm a hypocrite you seem more than a little naive. There is a craft brewery (yes, that it what they are called) like this called Moutain Goat in the mixed-residential-industrial suburb of East Richmond (Vic) and I would actively move into a house across the road if I was planning on a move to Melbourne. I've visited several times and as a venue it is neither late night nor rowdy, and as a brewery it is neither smelly or noisy. Look into it before you generate relatively unsubstantiated fears.

JD, the reasons for not wanting the application approved are simple. --- The current area is primarily residential with a couple of very small hospitality venues. It gets very little late night foot traffic because most pople walk along Crown and Cleveland Streets. --- In short, the area is not currently a "destination". --- Installing a 200 seat corporate function venue (which is what this DA seems like) will turn the area into a destination. --- Let's be clear, residents are not anti-pub, they're not anti-craft beer; we have excellent nearby community pubs we frequent. There's no shortage of superb artisan beer on tap within a 15-20 mintues walk. And most people in the area love it for that. --- But these pubs are have been there for about a hundred years, the residents moved in around them and they live (mostly) in harmony. --- People are objecting to a residential pocket turning into a commercial strip. --- Personally, I have had to move before because a restaurant opened next to where I was living. We endured 12 months of hell before we finally gave up and sold. Unless you have lived next to a large late night restaurant, you cannot begin to understand the negative impact it can have on your life. --- To list a few specific complaints: The truck deliveries; pre-dawn rubbish and bottle collections; the noisy patrons (drunk or sober); the lost parking; the sudden crowds outside your window that were not there a month before; the inevitable rodent population; and all of these were just the issues we found with a licensed restaurant, I dread to think what would be brought by a microbrewery. --- All these things were bad enough in suburbia, but now we're in an inner city terrace and our windows are right as street level, it will be a living hell. --- Many people in the area will not have the luxury of moving. Many of our neighbours have invested their life savings into their Surry Hills home, and with the brewery moving in they would be forced to try to relocate their lives, generally at a loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars. --- Most residents people will simply be unable to afford to move, because once the brewery is in, their homes will be worth less than their mortgage. --- It would be different if we had moved in next door to a hospitality venue, but we didn't, we moved in next to a converted warehouse being used as a design studio and gallery. A pretty far cry from a restaurant. --- Gourmet zymurgist: I have often been to Red Oak, and think it is perfect for the city, but I wouldn't buy next door to it. Adamson's proposal is pretty much Red Oak, but twice the size, so I know exactly what we're objecting to. And yes, I have seen half drunk smokers talking loudly out the front of Red Oak, I've even been one! --- JD again: You obviously don't know the area in question. I love my pubs, and regularly walk 200 meters up to Crown Street for a beer at the Trinity, but we live 200 meters down the road on a quiet street because we like to be able to go home after we've had a drink. You seem to suggest we should be denied that luxury. But frankly, we paid a premium for that 200 meter buffer --- Finally, I second SA regarding the Hopetoun! For those who don't know, the beautiful, historic Hopetoun Hotel is about three blocks from Adamsons proposed brewery, it is currently boarded up, and becoming derelict. If Adamson turned his efforts to the Hopetoun instead of the existing site, he'd become a local hero. Adamson: Please save our Hoey!

Gourmet zymurgist: To be clear, the warehouse is a heritage listed building that I believe once belonged to Sydney Water. In the 10 years we have lived nearby it has been used as a Deisgn Sutdio, Gallery, Office Space, Pop-up shop, and a Small Gym. It was recently sold to on oput of area developer who emptied it of existing tenants in order to reinforce interior walls, because he plans to submit an application to add a storey of apartments on top. The warehouse is only currently vacant because the developer got rid of tenants to pursue these building works. It is currently zoned mixed use. Double check your details before you accuse us of moving in next to an empty industrial building!

Sorry about the typos in my last post, It was a result of furious typing...

InnerWest: Now we're getting somewhere! Thank you. I'm not sure why it has been so hard for so many to verbalise such objections...other than they are just bandwagon jumpers with no real substance to their stance. I don't agree with all your arguments, some seem fairly precious, but there are also some great points that needs to be directly addressed by Adamson and co...and I hope he does if he recieves approval. Robust discussion is always so much more fruitful.

Cheers JD. I think what upsets me most at the moment is that we have an iconic hotel going to ruin up the road, where we would love Young Henrys to be installed. But people who do not live near the area, or know what its like here, are supporting the brewery in an innappropriate location instead, just because they think we're "inner city whingers" trying to kill craft beer. Nothing could be further from the truth. We really do want Young Henry's and similar venues in the area, we just want them to be housed in the numerous hotels that already pepper the area. Especially if it can revitalise an icon like the Hoey. At the very least they should be limited to the main commercial streets. What we don't want is new hospitality developments in the side streets and byways, supplanting the design and retail galleries Surry Hills is famous for. Unfortunately property prices also play a painful part in the equation, because we've all been stung by the unburstable Sydney property bubble, and the brewery will cost us (quite literally) at least a few hundred thousand in lost property value.

JD & InnerWest: to be fair, A simple no posted a bunch of concerns waaaaay up the comments but it appears InnerWest summed them up a little more clearly/concisely. People suggesting that the developers can simply put a brewery/restaurant into a place like the Hopetoun in the way that the Local Taphouse was redeveloped do not seem aware as to how much space the brewery itself needs - there are very few places with ceilings high enough and wharehouse space is ideal. The Local Taphouse is a pub without a brewery in it - the restaurant itself is tiny. The Redoak does not brew on-site and the Lord Nelson in the Rocks has a tiny "model brewery" that they use which is not even adequate enough for their own needs. For a brewery to get continuing returns and expand they need a larger, more wharehouse-like area - there is no way a proper micro-brewery can be housed properly in a pub. Looking at the plans for Young Henry's it looks like less than 50% of the entire building's floorspace will be restaurant. If, as I suspect, they put in glass walls between the restaurant and the brewhouse (which backs on to Violet Street) then Violet Street will be insulated against noise of the restaurant (restaurant-glass walls-large open brewhouse-external wall). The same would happen between the restaurant and Esther Lane (other rooms between the restaurant and the external walls) and Raper Street (coolrooms and store rooms) the only external wall that the restaurant uses directly is the one on to Devonshire Street which faces a small park and other commercial fronts. InnerWest: your concerns seem pretty valid (A simple no's comments on the other hand did not generate any sympathy from me) but I really don't think it will be as bad as you think.

Sorry Gourmet, The warehouse faces out onto Devonshire Street as you say, but those buildings that edge the park opposite are all residential, not shopfronts. I understand your error, as the DA is quite misleading in its characterisation of the locale. Salmon Bros Electrical supplies and our local mechanic are the shopfronts you probably saw on google streetview, and are a little further up the road (and obviously don't seat 200 patrons until midnight...). The large windows enclosing the brewery's eastern wall create a gallery from Violet Street. Obviously, this is intended as a viewing gallery into the workings of the brewery, as well as a place to grow hops. This is part of the reason for the crowd complaints, as this is where patrons will gather when they are not actually inside the venue, and it is only meters from our kitchen window. It is certainly where my friends and I would stand if we went outside the restaurant for a cigarette. Regarding the space required for a brewery, the Schwartz microbrewery, (20 mintues down the hill) seems to do quite well in the belly of the Macquarie Hotel. --- As you have observed, most of the facilities (brewery/kitchen etc) are housed in the back of the development, instead of now 'redesigned' old delivery dock in the front. This means that truck deliveries will be forced to negotiate the narrow lanes that we live upon, rather than the larger main road. It also means that this is where bottle sorting and rubbish storage will occur. It's not just the brewery here we're against, we don't want a restaurant or a cafe either. We want late night commercial venues limited to the late night trading areas specified by the council, or to pre-existing hospitality premises, not to just randomly crop up next door to us.

My folks declined to purchase an apartment when the DA for a microbrewery/beer importer was circulated, because one of them decided the noise of the restaurant and people coming and going would be bad. Others objected too. The place was built, it is 25, maybe 35 metres from the apartment. It faces onto a park and other businesses, backs onto a parking lot and the apartments. Final analysis: There is no noise, the traffic is louder from the apartment block. It's a high-brow restaurant that sells beers that cost $12-$30/bottle, the cheapest schooner is about $9, so the customers are not rowdy. Effectively zero noise from the front, the entertaining area, escapes through the back - the kitchen and stores. The apartment is worth approximately twice what it was six years ago - ie. the beer cafe may not have driven up the price but certainly has done nothing to reduce it. That is my case study of a place that, as far as I can tell, is similar to these plans. Does anyone else have a case study of a boutique, high end beer cafe and restaurant that was actually noisy? As opposed to similar but ultimately unfounded objections like those of my parent?

I should add (following on Gourmet's rationalisation for the necessity of a warehouse space), if the brewery were only brewing and conducting over the counter sales, like a cellar door, and were not planning a restaurant and bar, we would be far less justified in our complaints. Without the restaurant/bar, if they could prove sounds and smells would be contained, they might even find support. We defnitely encourage unique local retail.

The supporters of this DA, all of whom seem connected with the DA consortium in one way or another, consistently fail to hear the fact that this DA proposes to place an industrial (brewery) plus hospitality (200 seat restaurant and bar) late night closing high impact development in a mixed-use warehouse, that happens to be not on Crown or Cleveland but right in the heart of a residential enclave. Our adjoining terraced houses and apartments would have no possible buffer or relief day or night from the impact of industrial noise and smells, the volume and noise of patrons coming and going and talking in our streets that would be their smokers corner, and potentially 'overflow urinal', parking would become out of the question, and the chance of getting to sleep before the last mobile phone conversation finally died away directly outside the bedroom window at 1am would be nil... No-one can seriously suggest that this could be a welcome addition to anyone's small, quiet residential neighbourhood! If there is a single person who genuinely lives within 500 meters from this building and thinks it's a great idea - let's hear from them, openly and with names and addresses. Let's hear from the developers directly too, at last. And let's not forget the people who live immediately opposite in housing commission residences. The so-called 'park' opposite is a 3m wide strip of grass in front of a row of small terraced houses. Continuing on around the corner, the residents of Nickson Street were not even circulated with the DA proposal, I hear. If this should be such a welcomed addition to our neighbourhood, let's establish that openly in a neighbourhood meeting with the 'consortium', a meeting that includes everybody in all directions within 500 or so meters from the site, for all of them will be losing the chance to park near home, to sleep before midnight, as Crown Street style noise and throngs of people spill right into their little, once quiet residential streets. People, have a heart. It's not 'whingeing' to cry out that you really value your peace and quiet, and the chance to enjoy living in your house, and to sleep when you wish, and even to park somewhere nearby, and that you stand to lose all that!!!

InnerWest: if by "connected with the DA consortium" you mean I am an avid fan of craft beer, make my own all-grain beer at home and met Richard Adamson once at a craft brewing event, then yeah I suppose I am connected with the DA consortium. I look forward to visiting this brewery restaurant next time I visit Sydney - and I promise to be quiet as I leave the venue well before midnight.

Gourmet: You've jumped to conclusions again without checking the detail. InnerWest innercitylife. Although I see the similarity, and agree with 99% of what was said, I appreciate you are not directly connected with the brewery. I am concerned that you are supporting the principle of the brewery without a true appreciation for the area's social context. I too support the basic idea, but I stand by the rationalisation that late night trading should be limited to late night trading areas, and that where a large number of licensed venues exist, new ventures should be limited to existing premises. --- KD, it may not have been clear up until now, but the main source of concern is not about the noise of customers INSIDE the premises, but rather their comings and goings combined with the operational noise of a 200 seat restaurant. There are a few houses (not apartments) with street level windows less than 20 meters from the site.

Gourmet zymurgist knows too much about the development itself not to be connected to the applicant. Now the lies and bullsh-- have moved from the DA application filled with misinformation into the public forum. Gourmet zymurgist you should investigate the Hopetoun, The Clarendon, the Shakespeare or even the Dolphin (which I hear is in receivership). Alternatively on a completely different scale MOOG has been for sale for a long time. The amount of money involved in the refurbishment would very easily convert the Hopetoun to a suitable establishment. This would generate lots of support and be closer to transport options. Noise has been touted often but the smell of a brewery operating 24/7 would be horrendous and no brewery should be operated or allowed in such close proximity to high density housing. Gourmet zymurgist YOU are in for a very long, heated and drawn out fight. Forget this venue which is simply not suitable for this type of development. Bugger Off Young Henrys

p-off Henrys: HA! I must have been on to something to have threatened you like that! I'm an IT student who lives in Canberra, I wish I could be involved in such an awesome-sounding development. I saw someone posted this issue on a Facebook page this morning and it peaked my interest, I also saw (YOU?) on another Facebook page called Bugger Off Young Henrys. All it took to "know too much about the development itself" was to read the articles and look at the floor plan that YOU(?) posted on the Bugger Off Young Henrys Facebook site; it's called "research". Thanks for the offer of a "very long, heated and drawn out fight" but after tomorrow I'll have forgotten about it and will get back to drinking awesome craft beer at the Wig & Pen. Enjoy your bat-sh1t-crazy paranoia but maybe tone it down a touch if you want any sympathy from the general public. :)

As a long time Crown St resident that has happily lived with the fact that there are bars, restaurants and cafes on my street, I can suggest that you close your windows if things get a little too noisy and rowdy for you at night. I know that midnight is extraordinarily late for most geriatrics, but I am sure your failing hearing should keep the noise down. Wake up. This is the inner city. Where do you expect boutique breweries to open? Baulkham Hills? Not likely. But maybe it is somewhere you NIMBYs could consider moving to rather than whingeing about inner city life.

I do love it when people move into inner suburbia and then complain that people want to operate businesses there. Has been going on in Fitzroy in Melboune for years. If you want the quiet life move to an appropriate residential suburb. You can't live almost adjacent to the CBD and expect a quiet serene existance.

MoveOut - I'm happy that you enjoy living on Crown Street. I too am a long time resident of Surry Hills and I enjoy the vibe of the suburb. There have been many changes over the last 25 years that I have lived here. The Eastern Distributer got the trucks off Crown Street and facilitated the growth of hospitality businesses. When Sydney City Council took over from South Sydney Council there was significant expenditure on public infrastructure (thanks Clover). Our Parks were re-freshed and re-turfed. Our Streets and laneways were re-surfaced. The footpaths were re-built and levelled. We got a fantastic new library & community centre. All this, and the proximity to the CBD meant Surry Hills has became a desirable place to live and a process of gentrification has occurred. House prices have increased. The share houses of young people are slowly being squeezed out in favour of owner occupiers who are typically young families. There are less rowdy late night parties. You only have to look at how many more children play in Shannon Reservce or Ward Park these days. Enrolements at Crown Street & Bourke Street schools are increasing in recent years after decades of decline. My experience is that there are busy "vibrant" areas like Crown, Oxford & Cleveland Streets, but there are also quiet residential areas. It is wrong to stereotype all of Surry Hills as being like the Crown Street strip. The growth of the hospitality industry is seeing the encroachment of late night trading venues into these quiet residential areas. It is the role of council to strike a balance between the competing demands of developers and residents for the limited venues and resources available. I will follow closely the progress of Young Henry's DA.

I not only have a micro brewery in close proximity I have 1 at my kitchen window! I also have a 385 seat venue in a residential area. Think u all need to relax and have a beer personally!

Oh boy, you choose to live in the hussle and bussle of the inner city and complain when a warehouse is going to be used as part of the hussle and bussle. More typical nimby rubbish attitudes. If you don't like the immense activity of inner city life then move out to Kellyville and retire!

There goes the neighbourhood! http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-diary...

Thanks Scotty. It is a shame that our hotels are being bought out by large conglomerates. We do love and support our existing local pubs and hotels and would much prefer to preserve them as local businesses rather than just cogs in a corporate machine like Merivale. Perhaps if new businesses like Young Henrys were buying into existing venues like The Excelsior, instead of taking over prime retail/design spaces next to homes, we could save more local venues from buy outs like the one you linked to.

Sounds like your quiet heritage corner of Surry Hills has a junkie problem. Maybe a few more people around at night will help! http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/gardeners-figh...

One of the most vocal objectors to "Young Henrys" is the owner of 643 Bourke Street. Well, this week 643 Bourke Street has come up for sale. The owners and the residents' group are telling Council that the owners are moving because of "Young Henrys". What a load of rubbish. The owners ran out of money with their development and are selling up to meet their debts. If everyone - developer and residents - would be honest and truthful - a solution could be formulated and agreed. And a question for Mr. Watson: are you going to advise would-be buyers of the DA your concerns and your calculation of the financial impact on their investment? Didn't think so!

Jacquie - we all know that you wrote to Council in support of all the development applications in the local area. This, however, is not an appropriate forum for you to be attacking an individual ("Mr Watson"). You claim you want developers and residents to be "honest and truthful". Well, Jacquie, kindly disclose to all of us what your commercial interests are.

For those that may not remember, you can find Jacqie's other posts here: http://www.streetcorner.com.au/news/show... - Jacquie, with such animosity toward your neighbours, it's a wonder they saw fit to disclose to you their financial situation, or are you merely conjecturing? You preach honesty and truth, yet do nothing to disclose your relationship to the cafe attempting to open right next door at 641 Bourke? A cafe that was widely opposed. But if we're conjecturing, let me draw for you a far more likely picture. A couple moves from a busy street in the midst of the hustle and bustle, they love their area, but want a little more peace and quiet. They buy a home and begin to renovate, but as their renovation draw near completion they find that their move and the associated expeniture has been in vain. Not only is a new microbrewery opening a couple of doors away, but their neighbour is trying to convert a the home next door into another cafe. I don't know about you, but I'd certainly be selling up and moving as well - If I were in a position to do so. Looking at the photos on domain, I'd say they're selling because they've finished; And it looks like they've done a fantastic job.

So InnerWest we agree! The owners of 643 Bourke, Surry Hills should be disclosing to all potential buyers that a CAFE is likeky to open next door at 641 Bourke Street, Surry Hills and a large, 200+ seat brewery will be opening a few metres away. If you were going to spend $1.7million to buy 643 Bourke (after Mr. Watson purchased it for a mere $896,000 in 2009), wouldn't you want to know that a restaurant is going to open next door and a large brewery and pub will be opening nearby, too. Perhaps someone needs to tell the selling agent. Perhaps someone needs to attend the auction and let those poor, innocent buyers who think they are buying into a quiet area know the truth! Honesty is the best policy!!

Jacqueline, you seem to be saying that your proposed cafe, and Adamson's proposed "large brewery and pub", will have a negative impact on property values. By extension of your position, that would mean these ventures are simply profiteering at the expense of residents, and they would be detrimental to the residential nature of the neighbourhood. - Of course I must congratulate you that you seem to have learned to use google as well as your average 15 year old, I would assume that any potential property buyer would easily have the same skills. If only developers would do the same research before they intruded on peoples homes. - If I may make the observation, you are posting here for no other purpose than to be nasty, and have made no constuctive contribution to either side of the argument. Please take your spiteful trolling, and find another well to poison.

You buy a house next to an industrially zoned warehouse, then get upset when someone wants to use it within its intended purpose? It seems delusional. Says Toby .. What about those living in an already established and existing high dense residential area - only to find that metres from their homes a 'hazardous toxic Group A chemical gas emitting heavy industrial factory site' has been built, sans federal, state and local regulatory laws, acts and legislation being enforceable. Hidden behind a ten foot wall. Leaving tens of thousands over decades being exposed to chemicals that are the known cause of endocrine-disruption, ADD disorders, cancers, auto-immune deficit disorders and the rest, so what then Toby? Think Fox Studios Australia's heavy industrial factory site operating 24 hours a day seven days a week, home to independently operated sub-tenants who enjoy all the protection and perks of a deal thrashed out between the Federal and NSW State Government of Australia back in 94/95 - boasts a massive 'panel beating powder coating complex' adjacent to the SFS, Moore Park Road, industrial buildings stretching down in a swath to Cook road taking in Poate Road, Poate Lane, Furber Road and Furber Lane. So again Toby what then Centennial and Moore Park are not industrially zoned areas? Again Toby these buildings are all operated with Natural Ventilation - no stopping the hundreds of tonnes of chemical gasses being released into resident's homes and lungs, and oh forgot what about the flow into the 'public sewers' of all untreated industrial liquid waste? These sewers run off the site into Poate Road - gathering momentum into Cook Road and beyond..; http://www.foxandchickens.org/hetty/inde... sorry not finished but have a good look and see what happens when laws are removed - and no one asks questions or rather the right questions - and when answers to questions that are answered come back investigates whether they are the right answers. Hetty

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