Funny, I got a very similar phone call yesterday and email to confirm the conversation and an appointment yet to be scheduled. Is thisa case of DEVIDE AND CONQUER? The wider community is yet to realise what they're proposing and get involved now, not after the plans have been finalized for rubber stamp approval because of titles attached to the proposals, ie "Critical Infrastructure" which has made it a holy cow and now SIMTA wants to get in the act and have their proposal deemed a "Major Project" whuch will give it a holy cow status under section 3A of the State's environmental and Planning laws. change location and you can read what's happening now with section 3A at Coogee. WE are heading down the same path with SIMTA!!!! Rally against Overdevelopment, Part 3A takes your say away! by Sue Doran 29/10/2010 This Part 3A is an amendment to the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act 1979 passed into law in 2005. It was supported in NSW Parliament by both Labor and the Liberal/Coalition. It was not supported by the Greens. The Minister, Tony Kelly, will exercise discretion in making this decision. In the Greens' view ministerial discretion of this kind is not good for democracy. It's not good for democracy because: 1. The community is not able to fully participate in decision-making processes 2. The discretion can ignore local planning laws that were already decided following full community consultation 3. Ignoring local planning laws means ignoring height, bulk, traffic, noise, overshadowing, character and heritage among other aspects. 4. It takes away certainty meaning that communities are forever expending energy, resources and anxiety simply trying to defend the limits they believed were in place. 5. The State Environmental Planning Policies, known as SEPPs, are not scrutinised by Parliament which means they may not always directly reflect what the legislation intended. 6. A SEPP that sets a qualifying criterion of $100 million in order to qualify to leapfrog Councils simply encourages developments to be bigger than they need to be. 7. This incentive discourages large corporations from identifying with and respecting the sensitivities of their surrounding communities 8. This Part 3A, ironically, was intended to look after infrastructure for our State. Infrastructure in the Randwick LGA is already stretched to the limit. It appears that planning for improvements to transport, hospital, emergency services, schools hasn't had a look in while BIG projects with BIG money with a BIG community impact get BIG attention. 9. It leaves open the potential for criticism regarding obligations based on corporate donations. Something else transparent that respects consultative processes, environmental, economic and social impacts, encourages long term sustainable planning and gets the balance right between local and regional infrastructure is urgently needed.

Residents are being offered $80.00 by one consultant company apparently acting for the Government asking what issues are important to residents who must attend a set meeting to recieve the payment apparently. Funny thing 10 Defence and 10 Civillians per meeting ( the assembly size mentioned) would certainly not lead to the Defence Residents whom generally live for short periods in one Base Area to express the Intermodal aspirations of the Government and SIMTA as any problem for them. Which is not cool Seems like an effort to gauge " Community " Concerns before anything to be concerned about has been presented for inspection to the Community. Many in the community remain to this point unaware of the Extent and Scope that is intended by the Government and SIMTA of the Freight Operations and the Health Risks that are attendant from Pollution and Traffic Perspectives or Noise Levels to be expected or anything much at all really. I hope they are enlightened at these "meetings" but I doubt it. I wonder what the meetings are expected to achieve?

Apparently we now have 3 Consultants communicating for the Government or SIMTA ( Stocklands) The one offering $80.00 to attend a meeting ( Finance and Deregulation ), Kreab Gavin Anderson attached to Moorebank Project office ( Government Railyards and Intermodal) and Elton Consulting for SIMTA ( Stocklands). VERY CONFUSING FOR RESIDENTS TRYING TO GET A FAIR GO!!!

Oh Roy, What is a fair go? We have answer men out there willing to prostitute themselves to their Government masters. What chance does the Fair Go have. Except on voting days the donkeys who run this country do not want to know the general public. Come voting day you are the most important person in the world on the way in. On the way out you are nothing. Make sure you start campaigning now to get rid of these judas pollies. People power will win. Next stop, protest meeting outside Hunts at the Crossroads November 3, so the consultants get the right message. Then into the City to protest at the Moorebank intermodal office. SITMA has offered Councillors shortly a briefing session on their intermodal plans. The nobody residents out there will be managed with BS and untruths until it is all to late. Jim McGoldrick Mob. 0410740399 Keep up the fight.

Well the Liverpool Council which voted to support the Residents of Liverpool in this matter have failed to generate a Newsletter to the residents to either inform them of the progressive situation and Most Importantly the extent of environmental degradation that would materialise if the Scheme is successfully inserted against the Expressed will of the Council and the Residents. Enough of this "Powerless" routine, Liverpool Councillors can Protest and seek publicity why is so little being done? Why do we see Mayors and Councillors of other districts on Television standing up for their Ratepayers? Where is the backdrop of the Georges River at Moorebank on the Nightly News where is the obvious effects on Thousands of Liverpool Homes? The Politicians have failed Liverpool and history will be the judge of their lack of support and desertion of responsibility. Meanewhile what are residents supposed to do without a FAIR GO and with sparse support from those in a position to make much more effort??

I'm unimpressed with the performance of the Moorebank Project Office (MPO)thus far. Whereas I received an information flyer in my letterbox from SIMTA back in July, the MPO has remained shrouded in secrecy. I wasn't sure if it had even been established until this week. So, even though the MPO hasn't even introduced themselves to the community, they've seen fit to place public notices in local newspapers calling for heritage consultation "interest registrations" for the School of Military Engineering site and its periphery. What's more, these advertisments are easily missed, being located in the back pages of the paper, often abutting the more unsavoury pages. This is ideal if you are running a consultation process and need to tick the boxes but don't really want to engage with relevant stakeholders who may not read Public Notices in local newspapers that may not be delivered that week and even then are subject to degradation by weather. The point is, it shouldn't come down to good fortune. What if stakeholders and interested parties reside beyond the local area? Does the MPO actively search out such people? What other consultation/registration opportunities have been missed by members of the local community and others because they've been hidden away like this?

One of the Consultants which works for SIMTA who wants 1 of the Intermodals is Elton Consulting. Checkout article involving Elton's other recent work at: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/ready-...

Elton are acting for SIMTA and The Government has it's own Communications Experts. The Liverpool Council is leaving us to the wolves in my opinion by not versing the community about the drawbacks of Railyard Intermodals from a Noise, Environmental and Pollution Perspective. It is not just Traffic that is a problem here. I have found that every resident whom becomes aware of the genuine drabacks becomes a dedicated protester against the proposals. So Leafleting of the Community is essential offering genuine community enlightenment as to the Health and Safety Issues, Social and Economic Drawbacks etc. In all LGA Languages. It is simply not good enough to leave the community ignorant ( Oh and Translation into all languages spoken in the LGA is also required as is standard procedure on other matters) or an interpreter offered as is standard council and Government Procedure. Are Elton and Kreab Gavin Anderson Communicationg in accordance with the Procedures????. Are SIMTA and The Moorebank Project Office? If not then that is Descriminitory in my opinion and that of many in Government Circles. If You cannot speak english Tough Luchk is not acceptable in Multi Cultural Australia and Especially not in Multi Cultural Liverpool.

The Government Railyard Intermodals Proposal is even worse TWICE the Scope of the Rotten SIMTA Proposal. Both are bad for the Health and Safety of Liverpool Residents and the Environment of Liverpool. They must be resisted by all fair minded Australians of any cultural background.

Its sad you feel that way Roy. After your comments I find it very hard to offer you any further assistance. More than $20,000 of ratepayers money has been spent on the protest. The Councillors who you so easily critisise have given many hours of their own time and money to the protest. I think you need to wake up and determine who the real bad guys are. Its not the Councillors who have supported you and the community all this time. Jim McGoldrick Mob. 0410740399

I believe some posters are being somewhat harsh in their comments regarding Liverpool Council and Councillors. Every Councillor, irrespective of political leaning is against the Moorebank Intermodal. Council has spent considerable amounts of ratepayer’s money supporting residents against the Intermodal Proposal. Bear in mind it is not the only issue that concerns Councillors. Arguably, there are issues for ratepayers that in their view are of equal importance to them as those affected by the Moorebank Intermodal. Issues such as badly maintained roads, lack of footpaths, Library facilities, Childcare Centres, toxic waste dumps, processing of toxic materials in open outdoor areas close to schools and residential areas and the list goes on. Council has written to both Federal and State leaders protesting the proposed Intermodal. It is not as if they have done absolutely nothing. Can you imagine what would occur if an Administrator was steering Council? Respectfully; Councillor Peter Harle.

I am fully aware that Liverpool Council Granted $20,000 towards the protest day which was held when the Liverpool Council building had burnt down overnight. Due to the fire at the council building the Media were too busy to attend the protest rally against the Freight Intermodal Plans which were being opposed by residents and the council. So it was other than locally from the intended Media Coverage Perspective a flop ( no ones fault). The only residual of that protest rally are some banners which still hang at Liverpool Gateways and which I have called council about because they were becoming partially untied and were flapping in the breeze so they looked unloved. The Issue of the Intermodals is connected to the insertion of the Southern Sydney Freight Railway Line and the Proposed Widening of the M5 and the Expansion of Port Facilities in Sydney at Botany Bay It is an important issue with Major and Grave Implications for Southwestern Sydney and Liverpool especially. Apparently the Council think that Residents are all Versed on the issue that a Newsletter about such an important issue is not required when it is a misfire of proposed Infrastructure placement that they have voted to oppose and support residents about? The idea that the Majority in Liverpool have an understanding of the full ramifications should the Freight Installations be situated here is where I am coming from. Frankly I am not the only one asking why more information that assists residents in lodging informed objections and encouraging more community involvement is not being put out there by the Council considering the resources at their disposal, no disrespect intended.

Among our many resources at our disposal (we need permission to use} was our printing section, now in ashes. Because some of your elected representives in State and Federal arena, you figure out who, are trying to discredit Councuillors because their party does not have control of the Council and the minds and souls of the residents fellow councillors must tread very carefully and not give any reason to the Local Government to sack us and then do what they want with the Intermodal and the rest of Liverpool. The desperate major parties will do anything to get control including mass lies about what Council is doing. Roy, you cannot keep on saying I want I want, as before the only way to win this is with people power. PP must be done by the people. Has the newsletter been designed?, how many will be required?, what will be the cost?, where will it be distributed?, how will distrubution be done? Will the rest of Liverpool residents mind if we spend extra money in staff and printing this newsletter on the intermodal fight? are just a few questiomns. Everyone should come along Monday 1 Nov. to the "Powerhouse @ Casula" 7pm for the elected leaders forum to see what crap we have to put up with. Cllr Manoun has been in the US, attending conferences to gain inportant useful information for the Intermodal fight. He has taken time off work and is paying his own expenses in this trip for the residents. An retraction of your comments in public would be appreciated. Being publically critical of people who have been supporting the residents is nothing but a low act. It is sad you would do this to your fellow residents. Is this truly giving people a fair go as you call it. If you are not happy Roy you can always have the alternative anytime. Jim McGoldrick Mo. 0410740399

The fact of the matter is there is conclusive scientific evidence from the united states stating intermodals put in the middle of suburbia have an adverse affect on the surrounding population. Diesal emissions from trucks penetrate the pores and cause asthma in young children whos lungs are yet developed also they have discovered that it also penetrates the brain causing low IQ in children and potential dementia in adults. I as a mother will not stand for my child or any child that comes to live in the area to suffer these side affects as a result of poor planning especially when there are alternatives. If need be we should unite and sue the govt also get these environmental defenders to get their a.... into gear. Enough is enough!! No child should suffer nor elderly because of govt laziness. How dare they not inform us of the potential side affects to the community. On top we are on a river so a chemical I believe its Manganese falls on the river beds and flows down the stream and in the end affects the fish and we eat that fish. Good planning Fn Fed Govt. No chance!! We will see you in court AND WIN!!!

Reading what Dara just posted I think Liverpool Council needs to do some research and inform all of Liverpool about the Health affects of Intermodals Dara went to the US too. Our Councillors are elected representatives and have a major role to play. This is about the Health and Safety of Liverpool and having a decent place to live. Liverpool Councillors voted to Support the Residents so must support them regardless of political consequences. I expect nothing less than an all out effort from the Liverpool Council to keep residents FULLY INFORMED of the consequenses of a Gigantic Intermodal Situated In Moorebank and if that means telling people whats going on on Councils Page in the Local Papers then so be it. It cannot be too hard surely to keep residents and ratepayers updated?

Front page news in the local papers, 2 INTERMODALS IMMINENT FOR THE LIVERPOOL DISTRICT AT MOOREBANK. Surely this story is nothing less than front page news, I would even go as far as say fOR it be front page news in the national papers to point out the stupidity of what is proposed by some minister's "opinion" HOW EMBARRASSING FOR THE GOVERNMENTS WHEN THIS GOES INTERNATIONAL. The spin doctors wiil be out of business when it does!

Over the last threee days I have had a call from one of the consultants KreabGavin anderson also today I received a brochure from SIMTA outlining their plan for the Intermodals.All this seems to be a orchestrated campaign to give residents this all honky dory but we all know this will tear the guts out of the area.It seems we are regarded as the dumping ground for Sydney so they can be spared the ugly extremes of all this develoopement.During the time of the Administrator the area was badly neglected now they want us to take the brunt of the Freight Hub Capital of Australia.They do not care about us all our families and they will manipulate the area for their own corporate greed.As I have said on numerous times all this wont work as the area is geared up for a exoplosion of population not to become tth Freight Hub capital of Australia.We must resist all this window dressing and fight hard to protect our families John Anderson wattle Grove.0409368603

Only 3rd World Countries create 3rd World Conditions for people! Using the Intermodals to Create Increased ASTHMA, CANCER and SHORTENED Lifespans will be an EMBARRASSMENT in the Eyes of the UNITED NATIONS and the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY!

As Dara has pointed out, DIESEL FUMES KILL BRAIN CELLES. Remember this when you meet somebody with an INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY, BRAIN DAMAGE, DEMENTIA,ALZHEIMERS! For OUR CHILDRENS SAKE (and our Neighbours CHILDRENS SAKE), We have to do EVERYTHING WE CAN to STOP these INTERMODALS from being built next to our HOMES! They should be built away from our HOMES and placed in the non-residential area of KEMPS CREEK.

Fairly obvious now, the close proximity of the M5 then the Deisel Powered Rail for the Southern Sydney Freight Rail already equate to exessive Air Pollution in one vicinity. The Idea that Massive Railyard Intermodal Facilities all in the same vicinity with thousands of homes nearby is TOTALLY and UTTERLY IRRESPONSIBLE! The Australian Government has overstepped the acceptable mark and SIMTA are making the situation worse for folk whom live in the area. On merit based on genuine Environmental Considerations there is no way Either Railyard relying on Deisel Power Trains could pass properly applied Environmental Standards. Introducing Thousands of Trucks as well would be ridiculously negligent because it would lead to Legal Ramifications running into IMMENSE SUMS. The Deliberate Exposure of people to harm for profit is conducted in the Third World.

Clr Ned Mannoun will be back with the CDs of the conference. The implications are bigger than what we conceived. When I asked one of the professors why the callout to the world. He stated that a young progressive country such as ours should not make the same mistake as what the Americans did!! We have to get it out of our mind that this is just a Wattlegrove problem. These additional trucks will filter through the Liverpool streets so a child living close to Cowpasture, Camden Valley Way, Elizabeth will suffer the same as the one in Wattle Grove.This as you will see on the CD is what has been happening in Melbourne. As mothers, Fathers. Grandparents we should not and WILL not stand for that. America has land on the outskirts such as we but as they said when you have uncaring Mps/Governors living on the other side of the country such as our Mr Albanese that couldnt give two hoots about Liverpool and is the one signing off. Thats where the problem lies. I attended the intermodal conference at my own expense and I am glad that I did for honestly if this goes ahead with a sign off by the planning department we should sue and we will win because we have the evidence to back it up that this is not appropriate. Thats what another professor said save the money for lawsuit. As Ilovemykids and one could not have picked a more appropriate title. There is no way that we should stand aside and let this government do something so... I dont even know the word to use. How dare they use the west as a dumping ground. We are not cattle we are people. And I for one am standing up for my kids and my neighbors kids and kids to come. I will protest with others and if that doesnt change the governments I will stand with others in court. Diesal fumes PENETRATE the skin, the young and elderly meaning over 60 are most at risk. There is your environmental report!! Data and data from the states!!!Dont give us hogwash for we are not stupid. DO THE RIGHT THING. Put the damn thing on the outskirts in the middle of a large industrial estate not on a river in the middle of suburbia.

These two intermodals will slow, everpresent toxic emitters of concentrated diesel fumes from the millions of trucks and the additional trains for generations to come. How can this be passed in the land and environment court? "critical infrastructure", Section 3A and some minister's "opinion" will probably override all natural justice. The minister can over rule any commisioner's recommendation on a whim. How's that for democracy?

I have spoken to Roy and suggested we get a table at Wattle Grove community centre to get more community feedback regarding the Intermodals also we can go to other appropriate places to get community feedback there I have emailed to Tony and Jim and asked if they can get council approval for this I am awaiting their response.I believe we must get more resdients to show their level of disgust.I sure if you get a poll 995 would say they are opposed to the Intermodals John Anderson wattle Grove.0409368603

Type error it should be 99%.It seems to be the same people all the time we must get more residents show there disgust otherwise they will have a very smooth passage.I have spoken to them saying how they should be setting up shop in Liverpool not all over the place to isolate community opposition John Anderson wattle Grove.0409368603

The 300 people that attended the forum are all willing to be involved. (they would never have attended the forum otherwise) But there is no-one guiding them. When was the last time information was fed to them. Those 300 people would write to Minister Anthony Albanese if some-body told them. Right now they are in limbo cyber space. Imagine the impact 300 letters appearing on Mr Albanese desk would have. They just need to be guided.

Imagine how ENRAGED those 300 people from Moorebank Library and Over 1000 people from the Rally will be if they find out AFTER it's too Late!

Personally I would like to thank council. Especially Jim McGoddrick for he gave me the lead to the intermodal conference in the States.For everyones note I attended on my own accord my own expense. I would like to thank Peter Harle, Tony Hadchitti, Nadia Napolitano,Gary Lucas and Mayor Waller and the rest even the two or three councillors that were hesitant to support the issue but in the end put their hands up. This is bigger than what we conceived. I hope you all take the time and get the CD from Clr Ned Mannoun and Clr Jim McGoddrick and educate oneself and others. Clr Ned Mannoun did an excellent job in the states representing our community. The States as one Professor has stated is looking towards Australia a young progressive country to be the example to the world of better planning. Council putting up the motion of Badgeries Creek IS BETTER PLANNING. I can not enthasise that the rest of the world is now watching. USA,China, Russia... Yes they are watching little Liverpool and a place in Melbourne. Lets pave the way to better planning so that whoever is asked to attend the conference in 3yrs time can do so with the expectation of a loud applause from 300 or so representatives (it was a big conference) . Lets get this thing right!!!

And Clr Hadid:) He is one of the others that puts his hand straight up in the air.

Agreed. Jim, Ned, Tony have done a Great Service for their Community. Thankyou. I am feeling overwhelmed by the consultants phone calls - sorry if I have offended

No I actually understand yours and Roys frustration I came home to a SIMTA pamphlet also. And you guys are getting bombarded by these people so when I saw the pamphlet I couldnt believe how fast and sneakily they are moving.But I was grateful that I saw that the States have moved even faster. You're right imagine the poor person who is sitting by the computer wanting to write to Albanese, do whatever it takes but are not given feedback or guided.Its been a long time since the protest. Imagine waking up to a SIMTA pamphlet. Information needs to get out to the 1000 people or why collect the emails. This is the cheapest way without pamphlets etc on top word of mouth.

The Liverpool Community need to be informed of developments from a Community Perspective. SIMTA and The Federal Government Via the Moorebank Project Office are obviously going to PROMOTE their Respective Schemes but that is from the perspective of Corporate Project Ambition and is not going to put the NO Case. There are Numerous Drawbacks to the Moorebank Proposals and we are learning more virtually daily. The Community of Liverpool is entitled to at least a Newsletter equivalent in size to the Proponents of the Apparently Offensive Projects. So they can lodge relevant, educated submissions and complaints to their Local Members ETC. We may need to Compose one and produce them ourselves by photocopying etc.

I want to Thank Ned & Dara for going to the US at their own costs. We have to stop these bl*dy VIRTUAL GAS CHAMBERS of POISON from KILLING US and our KIDS!

These Corrupt Overpaid Beurocratic Bast* will NOT destroy my Home and Community! Nor will they poison my Children will DIESEL FUMES. Intermodals = Lung Cancer, Cancer, Heart Disease, Respiratory Disease, Type 2 Diabetes! SAVE OUR CHILDREN NO INTERMODAL!

Firstly Dara you are a champion, please run for Council or for the State Elections. You went to a conference to learn more at your own expense, now that's dedicated. The Liverpool Councillors and Council have been very supportive and I agree to please show respect in your comments as people like Jim,Peter and others have been supportive. Let us not forget we are all being targeted by these Government funded PR companies to be neutralised, or tone down our attacks. I dont see Kreab Gavin Anderson or Elton Consultancy posting comments on StreetCorner to respond to real community consultation? They are afraid that they cant moderate the conversation!!! "Community consultation" should be changed to "managing intended outcome"

My concern is the nature of the responses published to date in these comments. What is needed is passion but with cool heads to plan your response. Conspiracy theories and and "we all doomed" mentality add no credit to the cause. You need to meet as a small active group to filter out the hum bug from the real facts on effects, and benefits. You need to research these foreshadowed effects and quantify them. Then present them for consideration and review by the authorities and / or to counter their propositions. And you need to be honest in your own cause to review your position as the facts unfold. And courageous enough to act on it if necessary. Caterwauling gets us no where. And, as in the past, it is the atmosphere where the likes of Clr. Jim McGoldrick rise to involve themselves in the electoral process as great people's campaigners in a subsequent election to send their preferences back to Labor ( or Liberal if they are the schemers). In Jim's case the tolerance to date of the ALP of his oft pronounced independent thinking on Liverpool City Council is unbelievable and I suggest has more to do with them holding onto the State Seat of Menai than generosity of heart. Why else did Alison Megaritty jump ship just as her generous pension came online? I have seen it all too often over the years. My prediction is that when they need to, there will be a public separating of ways between Jim and the ALP and he will run as a "peoples person" independent with the effect of complexity and confusion to complicate and confuse the vote. Political parties thrive on people's fiery passions and shallow knowledge of how civic affairs play out are in reality. So people, get busy and use your energy to prepare your case. And be aware, and beware, of the political opportunists. They will use you up. Cheers Michael Byrne President East Liverpool Progress Association elpa2008@gmail.com Look out for updates at localforlife.com.au

Thank you but no I am not that good. Others were asked to attend but they had work commitments family etc. For some reason my life just fell in place last week in terms of work and family. I did not have time to think it just all fell into place. But as a woman I was more looking forward to the shopping. Aus Dollar is great. Ned Mannoun was a real champion he did us proud at the conference. Hopefully Ned will now put the info forward to Council and his Liberal party. Its Ashame he wasnt back for todays forum at council. Mp Chris Hayes really needs to hear the impact of the proposal. What he was saying tonight well..

Also you could not have a much better title in line with Ilovemykids. We should all be VERY ANGRY. Basically they are proposing to kill us off at a much faster rate by putting this intermodal in mid suburbia. Contrary to some beliefs we were here first. Badgeries Creek hasnt a population as close to it as we are to the Moorebank Terminal. I dont even know if they have any population. As for cost of building an expended line going into billions. What is the cost going to be of the future asthmatics, respiratory sufferers, cancer dementia on our health system most probably equal to the extended Raillink. And please some-one tell me who is going to take the goods off the containers at Moorebank. There is a perception out there that elves will be taking them off on Santas sleigh and flying them to the industrial estates of the NorthWest. TRUCKS ARE GOING TO FETA THROUGH OUR STREETS from the Moorebank terminal to the North West. I just couldnt believe what I was hearing tonight. Councillors Tony, Peter, Jim and Nadia did a great job in counter attacking

When our entire community is fully informed of the situation they will of course mass protest. I think a Newsletter Giving all of the FACTS that have just been Emailed to the right distributors should start to be circulated right away! This may mean spending some time printing up some Fact Sheets and Circulating them to the WHOLE COMMUNITY. Communication is the key. I think everyone would agree with that.

Anyone who anything about the Liverpool council area know that the Intermodals is a conspiracy by business to destroy our environment and our standard of Living to compensate for their lack of planning in planning proper infrastrucure to handle the Largest Freight Hub in Australia.The people who are organising these plans dont havent any understanding of this area and are willing to dump the excesses of these plans on us as they want to insulate there area from the disgraceful impact these 2 container terminals will have.They plan to dump up to 2 million containers on this area and expect us to tolerate the disaster that will occur .If you have any regard for your families you must communicate this to the relevant bodies to show your disgust John Anderson wattle grove 0409368603

I asked MP Chris Hayes to justify his statement, “by building the Intermodal at Moorebank that will take a large number of trucks off the road”. From what I have read, the freight line will initially only take 20% of the container freight, rising to a maximum of 40% several years into the future, meaning the remaining 80% will have to go by road, how is that taking trucks off the road? His answer that the freight train will be up to 1.6km long doesn’t address the question of the 80% that will have to go by road. However, if the Government is serious about diesel pollution, why don’t we legislate that the only trucks allowed to transport containers in the Metropolitan area are those using CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) or Propane? We could even extend that to CNG or Propane powered locomotives. Australia has vast amounts of Natural Gas at a fraction of the cost of oil. It would mean less dependency on the import of oil and less strain on our balance of payments, or could it be that the government’s need for fuel taxes is far greater than the health considerations of our nation?

wHY DO THE pOLITICIANS continue with this spin about taking a million trucks off the road.By definition a intermodal is a transfer station so they will be transferring cargo to trucks trains.A recent article stated that the Sydney Ports Authority had great difficulty about handling up to 18% of goods by train and admits it has involved a lot of container being carried by road.If the truth be known the present trucks freight trains would exceed the desirable international pollution levels.I work at night at Milperra Rd and see the number of container trucks sperting pollution into the atmosphere.If the intermodal procceds the whole area will be heavily polluted so causing serious health risks to all residents.It is quite obvious that many politicians are only concerned about their political agenda with no concern about the health and safety of residents.They should see the dangerous nature of Nuwarra Rd where the number of trucks are currently at excessive levels.They should come down to the real world John Anderson wattle grove.0409368603

The Australian Government and the State Government of NSW have failed to provide sufficient funding for Freight Distribution in the Sydney Metropolitan Area. The poor mouth solution to dump the problem on South Western Sydney at Moorebank cannot be rationalised. Residents are entitled to the full picture free of political spin. All residents should join the fight and assist each other to ensure the facts are presented to the Australian Parliament and Public.

Whilst we are at it the Australian Engineers whom Detonate Explosives! Are only to be moved into Holsworthy through the back gate about 3klms from the current site so we would have Port Noise, Pollution, Traffic AND EXPLOSIVES! Unbelievable. They really want us to Suffer. And if we protest the Engineers will be threatened with moving them to Blackmail US! Liverpool is a DUMP! As far as Governments and Politicians are concerned. Stand up everyone and say NO to the Rotten Sydney Freight Plan! Liverpool is and always will be a Proud Garrison Town!

Michael I personally think we should back off these councillors. I wasnt their biggest fan in the beginning either but in saying that I too didnt give them enough time to settle in and I was constantly disappointed with the yes yes yes to the Mayor. There was no discourse in the first.. can't remember how long. But look at them now. They are discussing, they are in the thick of things, working. If they want to go independent whatever. I dont really mind for they have been working their tushies off unlike three possibly in council who we all know. Michael you have a bigger dragon to slay and I think like you have said here you should divert your energies there instead of on these councillors. Congratulations on having the b...to go up against Golliath but the master manipulator beat you in this round for he made you come off as a racist in the previous newspaper editorial. Good luck in round two.

Thanks, Dara, it did take us a while to get the hang of things. We are all learning, hopefully by the end of our four year term we have achieved some positive and worthwhile outcomes for Liverpool. Unfortunately it takes a long time to implement changes and it is just as frustrating for us as it is for everyone else. Councillor Peter Harle JP.

SYDNEY’S southwest will experience the highest growth of all the city’s regions by 2036, “The Sydney Towards 2036 population report” of the State Planning Department predicts. But with such dense population growth, how can they place the Moorebank Intermodal in the middle of it? Health, safety, noise, pollution, light spill, traffic - with 1 extra semitrailer movement every 30 seconds - sounds impossible doesn’t it? (see http://liverpool-leader.whereilive.com.a...

For Scientific Research on the Components of Diesel Fumes and their Affect on People (Plus on Pregnant Mothers also), please see: http://www.citizensforhealthydevelopment... http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?ac...

Gillard and Abbott this is a DISGRACE! Our peaceful community has been shocked by the announcement of the Government to push through this MASSIVE FREIGHT ZONE. The Consultants are telling us that it will happen regardless of the Damage caused. The background of some of these proposals is at http://www.moorebankintermodal.com We believe that the pollution will lead to the Destruction of Rare and Endangered Flora and Fauna on Commonwealth Heritage Listed Land. This land is also Aboriginal Land as can be seen at: http://www.environment.gov.au/soe/2001/p... Please see further information below: Citizens for Healthy Development (CHD) Website with list of Diesel Ingredients and their affects on People: http://www.citizensforhealthydevelopment... Information about the affect of Freight Intermodals on the people of the United States who have been suffering for a long time: www.TheImpactProject.org The following link has articles concerning diesel exhaust and/or traffic related air pollution. The particles in diesel exhaust consists primarily of fine and ultrafine particles. They can be downloaded from: http://www.yousendit.com/download/ZGJma3...

One of the Consultants which works for SIMTA who wants 1 of the Intermodals is Elton Consulting. Checkout article involving Elton's other recent work at: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/ready-...

DIESEL FUMES KILL BRAIN CELLES. Remember this when you meet somebody with an INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY, BRAIN DAMAGE, DEMENTIA,ALZHEIMERS! For OUR CHILDRENS SAKE (and our Neighbours CHILDRENS SAKE), We have to do EVERYTHING WE CAN to STOP these INTERMODALS from being built next to our HOMES! They should be built away from our HOMES and placed in the non-residential area of KEMPS CREEK.

No wonder that the Residents of South West Sydney WILL BE commencing a Class action against Stocklands, Qube Logistics, Queensland Rail (QR), and the SITMA consortium - SHAME on you - SHAME on your SHAREHOLDERS! Obviously Greed for $$$$$$ is More Important than KIDS Health and Lives!

I agree with Peter Harle's views on this topic. I don't think that we, as residents, should react with such anger and emotion at this very early stage of planning. This process will take many years. (SIMTA website). SIMTA probably have their reasons for not deciding to build elsewhere, such as Kemps Creek. Let's all follow the planning closely and keep objecting to this development. WattleGroveWarrier, please keep this in consideration. Sydney CBD has a population of 203,000. They have very few parks to go to and see the roads choked with cars every day everywhere. Surely our living conditions are better than theirs? Please do not get the Federal Government involved with this. This is a State process.

I agree with DaraB's comment that we need direction. Jim and Tony are doing their best in forwarding info to those people who have registered. The problem is that we don't have anyone leading our charge. Everyone seems to be running around doing their own thing. Early in the piece we had a commitee formed for the purpose of coordination. What has happened to this commitee. Prior to the first protest meeting at Moorebank there was a letterbox drop to be done which never happened. I firmally believe we can stop this proposal through people power which can only be achieved if they know of the problem. Although I see comments in various media it appears that some people are doing letterbox drops,I'm yet to receive anything other than Simta flyers in our letterbox at Woolmers Court. Out of my own frustration, my grandson and I last week delivered a two page letter together with a map to 1000 homes on the boundary side of Wattle Grove The purpose was to alert residents to the proposed Simta site and the negative aspect of it. The map showed the closeness of the site to homes. The cost was small with the biggest thing being the time to put it together and drop it off. If we get 10% of the people who read it involved, I will be more than happy. Roy, you need to back off with you anger and bagging as it will do no good to our cause bagging those on our side. We must be united not divided.

I would like to ask the consultants why the people they asked to attend the $80.00 meeting were 50% residents and 50% defence housing tenants. All due respect to military staff, but they are generally short term residents in the Wattle Grove residential area. Their input would be vastly different from those people who have invested in property and intend to reside there long term. Again I ask the consultants to hold public forums instead of hiding at the other end of the telephone, or behind a selected few. Come on, "face the people" We dare you

ALL Residents and Media - come to the Protest this Saturday, the 5th February at Sydney Parliament House at 11am sharp! Let us know you are coming by emailing 7674np@gmail.com Take a Stand for our KIDS and Families HEALTH!

Please visit and find out the facts at http://www.moorebankterminal.com And http://nointermodal.com/ Before you vote in the NSW State Election.

ALL Residents of Western Sydney - come to the Information night at Casula Community Center (39 Ingham Drive, Casula) this Wednesday 23 February at 7pm. Learn about the Damage that will be done to our KIDS and Families HEALTH!

Learn about this Freight Monster at the Residents Community awareness meeting at Moorebank community centre (Maddecks av. Moorebank), Wednesday 9 March at 7:00pm