A serious conflict of interest arises when the Premier of the Government of NSW assumes direct responsibility for a major development project. The traditional process of development review and consent are set aside. The conflict of interest is greater when government that is in the process of selling a long lease on public land also assumes the role of consent authority. Irrespective of the merits or demerits of the project, this is not sound practice. For the Premier it is a high risk strategy. In my view the development approval process should be left open until after the NSW State Election in March 2011, so that this issue may be one of the considerations the public bring to the ballot box. Then the NSW state government representing the will of the people can choose to either takes this project forward, or set it aside.

Welcome to public development in NSW. There's a long, proud (?) history of no transparency and no public consultation

Well Keneally, that's decided it. I won't be voting Labor in the NSW State Elections.

I hope to god that the NSW public doesn't sit on the sidelines while the Labor power mongers expand their waistline by gobbling up what's left of our local voice. Will most defintely not be voting Labor this coming March. You've lost my vote.

Following on from MLC David Shoebridge’s comments about our Piece-meal planning by part-time Premier, http://davidshoebridge.org.au/2010/09/30.../ If Ms Keneally is so intent on championing a project or two, forget Barrangaroo and adopt the south west of Sydney Premier. We need someone who is willing to work for South West Sydney (and for all the citizens of this state) when it comes to development, especially for those of us affected by both State and Federal projects in our communities as well as the Private developers projects... remember Sydney's south west...we are not the dumping ground for all and sundry, we are entitled to proper planning, noise barriers, decent sewerage services and protection from unbelievable noise impacts. Add to that we need the infrastructure installed BEFORE you release a new estate. Time to start again and plan things properly, be it Barrangaroo or Moorebank, Casula or Liverpool or wherever, this time with the community’s needs the priority. Premiers picking and choosing NEWS worthy projects doesn't cut it. You want to champion something, look no further than Liverpool Premier... and if you choose to ignore our needs, don’t be surprised when we look for alternatives who consider them a priority. Signe Westerberg for the Liverpool Fairfield Greens, who do consider Liverpool a priority and not a dumping ground!

In the Premier's words ... "a small group in the community who want to derail the project?" ... which includes (to name but a few): - The National Trust - Jack Mundey (who saved The Rocks 40 years ago) - City Of Sydney Council - Clover Moore (who quit the Baranagroo Delivery Authority last week) - The Mayor Of Leichhardt - The Mayor of North Sydney - Friends of Barangaroo - Kent Street Residents Group - Barangaroo Action Group - NSW Chapter of Australian Institute of Architects ... and a whole lot of concerned individuals So besides Ms Keneally, Lend Lease, Richard Rogers and Paul Keating, who actually wants to see this monstrosity come to life??? And what is this fixation some people have with TALL BUILDING = GREAT CITY?!?!?!? I find spending time in the likes of London, Paris, Florence, Boston, San Francisco MUCH more enjoyable 'human experiences' than Shanghai, Dubai, Hong Kong ... or the Gold Coast.

There is no now no way in the world that an approval by Keneally will survive a court challenge. A consent authority is meant to at least pretend to be unbiased.

I am surprised that the Premier of NSW is not even giving the Labor Party a fighting chance in the election in 2011. Does she not see that the perception of the people of NSW will be that what she is doing is a serious conflict of interest? What is there to hide in the contractual documents between the NSW Labor Government and Lend Lease? When does she propose that those documents should be released for public consideration? Is there anything to hide? Doug Timmins Pyrmont

What evidence is there to back Ms Keneally’s claim that this project “sets new standards in environmental sustainability”? Also, there appear to be any logic in the comparison with iconic projects such as the Sydney Harbour Bridge and the Opera House. Rather, it is yet another sell-off of one of Sydney’s greatest assets, its harbour foreshores, for short term gain at the expense of long term pain. As for “new standards’”, Ms Keneally’s takeover of the project does set new standards; in the State Government’s practice of initiating, assessing and approving projects without the checks and balances necessary to ensure major projects are in the long-term public interest. Ms Keneally’s claim that Bangaroo’s opponents “are only a small group who want to derail the project” reflects the long-standing arrogance of NSW Labor. How would they know what the NSW public wants or needs when they ignore the need for transparent planning processes and genuine consultation to find out?

This is clearly a conflict of interest for the reasons stated above. Combined with the electric car scandal and the whole NSW Labour sleaze issue, this has now become an intolerable situation. The problem is that everybody is so used to corruption in NSW Labour and NSW Liberal politics that people assume they are impotent to influence this, or any other, major development. I can't believe we now have someone who was born in LAS VEGAS directly in charge of Barangaroo development. Our confidence is not so low in this city that we need a phallic symbol to impress the world. I believe the way we care for our environment, including the Sydney Harbour foreshore and the biodiversity within its waters, speaks more loudly than this proposal. The harbour brings business and tourism to this city because it is a CLEAR DIFFERENTIATOR on a global scale - and one we should not tamper with. We need to stop this wonderful city from turning into Las Vegas (or Hong Kong) on Sydney Harbour - is it possible to impeach a Premier in NSW before she ruins all our lives.

I actually think good on her! I'm really getting sick of the NIMBY attitude in this city. Everything is dumbed down to placate the vocal minorities. I honestly think it is getting to a point where there should be no consultation for big projects like this, especially in the CBD. It creates a camel and goes no where. It's a place of big towers people, get over it! Most of this BAG group a selfish self-interested people trying to protect their views. So what! This is bigger than you and you still get views aswell as increased vibrancy and a big lovely park. Stop whining all the time people!

@Tina whining = democracy. get over it.

How soon doth the scribes and historians forget that our Lordly of Lord Mayors Clover Moore sateth upon the board of Barangaroo proclaiming from on high its worth. Was it not of most recent times that she did but proclaim from the stage of our most impressive Town Hall in front of the multitudes, the merits of the development. Like the ALP was she not too in agreement, yea in support of, buildings over the harbour and over the height limit, and useth her casting vote against providing funds for the EDO to mounteth a fight most moral against the Barangaroo development? Yea I say unto you, look to all those who govern, for in their actions will you discover truth.

Good, now let's just get it started! The more it delays=the more time NIMBYs have to slow the city's progress.

@Cris Stringfellow - The dull and boring typical cries of the loud but minority NIMBYs democracy? Huh, yeah right.

Finally! A premier with the balls to stand up to the NIMBYs who endorse mediocrity. Well done!! Sydney needs this project to go ahead! And those that oppose the height and the density of the development - it is the CBD of Australia's major city, not the village from the Vicar of Dibley! The Lend Lease plans are the shot in the arm Sydney needs.

How many ministers has this Labor government gone through? It's absolutely ridiculous, can we pick a set of them a stick with it? I guess this means the end of the current planning Minister Kelly. You've lost my respect and my vote completely State Labor.

Streetcorner has received this contribution from the Lord Mayor Clover Moore MP "I joined the board of the Barangaroo Delivery Authority in 2009 because, as a City leader, I believed I had the responsibility to be an integral part of the process to work for the best outcome on this very significant city and harbour-side project. Using the expertise and resources of the City, and with the support of councillors, my role was to make whatever improvements I was able to in the interests of Sydney. During my 18 months on the board, I have been able to achieve significant improvements for Barangaroo, including; 1. Integration of the development with the City, including physical, visual and pedestrian connections 2. Creating an improved waterfront promenade 3. Lower scale waterfront residential buildings which step the building forms down toward the harbour 4. Reducing the number of commercial towers from four to three 5. A grid of streets and lanes to provide interest and connectivity through the site for pedestrians. I am unable to remain on the Board because of the failure during the development process to provide accountability and transparency - such as the exclusion of key financial information from the public release of the Barangaroo project agreement - which contravenes the public right to know. This goes against what has been the foundation of my career in public life. A project of this significance, scale and complexity requires a considered, careful and open process of planning and assessment. Nevertheless, the working relationship established between the City and the Barangaroo Delivery Authority during my time on the board will foster continuing cooperation to promote and achieve the best outcomes for this significant project There is still much work to do to get the proposals right, and further improvements are vital. The City has prepared a detailed submission of amendments to the Barangaroo Concept Plan, which has been presented to the NSW Government, and which can deliver for Sydney an appropriate and suitable development on the site. We are also keen to brief the Premier on the City's submission."

So now Clover becomes the heroine - just in time for the state elections in March! Kristina scrambles to clean up the Barangaroo mess, Clover scrambles to try to look good. C'mon Clover - you didn't have the support of the majority of Councillors when you took your stand on Barangaroo. You used your casting vote (twice) to prevent Council from providing financial support to the Environmental Defenders Office. The Environmental Defenders Office will fight in court over the contaminaton on Barangaroo despite the fact that you won't allow Council to assist with the costs

This is when two jobs are really useful. Watch the media, Clover's photo will be everywhere. She'll use every opportunity the Sydney Council can offer to get her face and her media out there so that she can raise her profile for her MP position.

Clover is hilarious. If she had her way she'd turn the whole thing into one of her dog walking parks with a few townhouses at best. She is the biggest nimby of all. The Sydney CBD is NOT one of her villages, it's the powerhouse of Australia. Barangaroo needs to be big and bold. Clover's ideas are backward and are whatever her nimby masters command. There's a growing group who are getting sick of all this anti-eveything attitude. I hope this goes ahead!

Clover has been corrupted by power. She's lost her power base and she is scared. The writing is on the wall, either she does one job well or she will lose both for good, chances are her ego will mean she loses both. Keneally is probably going to be ousted as well, but even if she doesn't manage to shove barangaroo up all our proverbials before she goes, who honestly thinks Barry o'farrell will be any better. He's so quiet on this whole subject it's deafening. Liberals have always been in the pockets of big developers too and by his silence he's obviously supporting the lend lease proposal but is too weak (or canny) to put out any kind of policy statement. Does anyone know what the NSWLiberals policy is on Barangaroo?

This project is required in NSW people. Stop being so anti-everything. If we want to be a APAC leading city how can we progress with small minority groups hellbent on showing the world that we are so averse to building towers in our downtown CBD precinct. Good on KK!

the point of democracy is to provide a natural outlet for the inevitable differences of opinions while getting on with the business of getting stuff done. the point of comments on websites is to provide a natural outlet for the inevitable getting nothing done, while getting on with the business of having differences of opinion.

classic australian inferiority complex. having to keep building a 'better' city. the solution? remain calm. feel the truth. the truth that australia is already the best place in the world. then, build what we want and need and feel comfortable with and that looks good. don't build what we're afraid we'll feel embarrassed by when 'measured' against other cities. the problem is not development, or lack of, it's the lack of a strong national identity to give most of us a sense of what's just right for just us. oh if you build a skyscraper on the water's edge make sure it looks really good from the harbour, please.

The inferiority complex works the other way too, Chris. Groups like The National Trust and people like Jack Mundey (mentioned by someone above) are so desperate to have a history to cling onto that they try to protect anything of a certain age, regardless of whether it's of any value. Anyone who thinks the opposition of groups like BAG is anything but self interest needs to go and read the public submissions on the Department of Planning's site. There's nothing but letter after letter from people who live in 30 storey buildings - that doubtless block other people's views of the harbour - complaining that their views are going to be blocked by tall buildings. Pathetic.

There is no doubt that Barangaroo should be developed. The problem is that it is to be developed by one developer, Lend Lease, with the help of one unelected authority, the Barangaroo Delivery Authority, with the unequivical support of one political party, the Labor Government and with a disticnt lack of transparency. The Liberals are fence-sitting, biding their time until March 2011. They don't want to alienate donors to their party. A diverse group, united by greed, self-interest and a patent lack of integrity. A sad indictment on our society and its leaders.

Jolly Swagman raises a good point. Why isn't Barry O'Farrell taking a stand on this appalling development? Are the Libs in debt to Lend Lease? Do the Libs just think they'll p.ss it in so they don't need to do anything to win voters over? It seems the Libs may be just as arrogant as the Labor Party is. C'mon March 2011, C'mon Greens!

This project is essential if Sydney doesn't want to go backwards into oblivion. You'd me mad not to support building towers in the CBD! Barry O Farrell doesn't have a policy regarding this development, so we can't trust him either. Although his silence probably means he supports it.

No further notifications of comments are required by me. I take it from the "you have been unsubscribed from this post" means that the action has already been taken. Thank you. Doug Timmins

If you don't like a city that keeps developing, sorry Sydney is not the right one for you. Please move to Dubbo and have fun.

Conflict of interest?? Mrs. Keneally should ensure that the state is growing and developing. This project is of state significance and vital to the growth of the nations most important city (for the economy) so in actually fact she is only doing her job. I think this needed to be done. I'm sick of anything over 2m tall taking months to years to get approved. This development IS in the HEART of the CBD people. How on earth can this be too big. We are talking about perhaps one building over 200m which would rarely be classed as remotely tall. Lets not forget that more than HALF of the development will be parkland. Therefore the size of the development actually makes this amount of parkland possible. If you want to spread the amount of NEEDED office space (to allow the CBD to grow) over shorter towers, then it will have to be at an expense of the parkland/headland and i'm afraid that no park would be left. Really the small group against this is only after their self interest to the detriment of the entire city. Are personal views from balconies meant to hold us all back??? Now Miss. Keneally lets get it started.

Its really disappointing to read the selfish attitudes that drive "development". Its a really sad state of affairs that people feel that a city is only important when it has the tallest and biggest buildings. This sort of thinking doesn't lead to a happy,harmonious society.When decisions come from such a place the result will never be successful for anyone. One thing is clear, in this current climate, we will never have a building like the Opera House again.

Part 2 Item 9 ('Board of Authority') of the Barangaroo Delivery Authority Act 2009 states that ... (2) The Board is to consist of the following members: (c) a nominee of the City of Sydney Council approved by the Minister. Can we not at least slow everything down until that person is appointed? Or is the input of the City Of Sydney not to be respected by the NSW Government?

@Horses good point. But not all opposition or variety of opinion on Bdev is self interest. If it was simply self interest, it would be plainly dismissible as such and irrelevent. But if you add up enough self interests and they all seem to align, maybe that counts for something. Something that smells like democracy. Also, a lot of smearing the opposition as being completely self interested masks the self interest of the smearers. Also, I don't believe the NT only criterion for preservation would be 'of a certain age' otherwise a lot of these folks would make the list.

Follow the money.. Who is getting fees, commissions, charges, discounts and incentives? Government? Companies? Individuals? Is there any potential for conflict of interest? This space is a public asset - has it been handled with proper processes? This is not about nimbyism, nor is it about anti-development.. but it is about having a system to ensure that there are some basic checks and balances. We all are members of a broader society. One of the requirements of that membership is that everyone, not just a few, can trust that political and corporate processes are being handled properly, and openly.. this is one set of processes that has fallen far short of what a modern society should reasonably expect.

With the premier being on board it would quicken the process of this project to begin, since there has been delays. Some people may not agree of of the heights of the buildings but the fact is that tall buildings is a major factor of a great city, with this you would see more investment coming to Sydney. Only a small proportion of people want this not to be built but after it is built wtih the proper design and heights it would be 'world class'with people visiting around the country. If it is done otherwise with it turning into small apartments, the whole of Sydney economy would suffer because of a few people against it.

A great opinion piece today in the SMH by Elizabeth Farrelly. If only she was in charge. I totally agree especially with the point that great development often comes at the expense of consultation and quite often consultation creates an amalgamated piece of crap! http://m.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-...

@Vibe right on! Other countries without the checks and balances we have here get more f***** up. Just witness the social/enviro destruction wreaked by China's overseas dam builders. But like it or not it is about pro/anti dev. These issues attract many pro devs, with their bourgeois thirst for investment ops! Egalite!

Sniff! Sniff! What in Heaven's name is that on the soles of my shoes (they're Christian Louboutin, I'll have you know, darlings). Oh, I appeared to have stepped on one of those tiresome little people from an outer suburb. How sweet it is that they think they can share my harbour and my Barangaroo. Well, they can choof off with their annoying need for the thousands of jobs that will be created at Barangaroo and their sad hopes of living in a city for grownups. As visionary correspondents on this page have wisely said: "What Sydney needs are Noddy's Town Town buildings suiting a provincial backwater." (Pssst, just between you and moi, darlings, this is code for oh-God-I'm-going-to-lose-my-view. Now, don't you go telling anybody.)We must also give thanks that Sydneysiders' rights to dampen their nappies when they disagree with someone are being protected by what some might call "the great big sooky-poops" who write to the letters page of the Sydney Morning Herald. Oh, yes, they had to be lured down off the roof after they heard that an English architect said Sydney was destined for greatness. How dare he? Those Herald letter writers want everyone to know one fact: it's not true. Well, if they and I have our way.

Shoddy Public Transport, streets congested with more & more traffic, neglect of greater western sydney & regional NSW in terms of commerce & viability, dodgy deals & practices re development & all the rest of the nonsense we've been dished up ... & now Keneally assumes personal responsibilty for this hideous Barrangaroo site. I've spoken to more than 150 people about this site & not one person like sit. Not a single one! Goodbye Mrs Keneally - at least have the heart to not leave this eyesore as a legacy to Sydney before you're shafted next year.

^ Jimbo, you obviously hang in nimby circles, and are probably old and boring and want to turn the CBD into a village like Clover and her nimby fanclub. There's a big group of us who not only want this but want it much bigger! You and your ilk and trying hard to hold this city back.

Danny B ... I have no problem with Development & Advancement - & the Barrangaroo site needs development. The problem I (& many others) have is with disclosure - especially of back room deals between prominent $$ pollies & $$ developers ... & what is an appropriate issue for a Premier to take personal control of. You really don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out ... I live near the ATP & the amount of disclosure provided to nearby residents was non-existant during its erection & since then. And now - visual disaster, & an immense influx of employees turning the district into a free car park. The Blues Pt Tower is the most disliked building in Sydney - & this new Hotel proposal will balance the dislike across the shores of the Harbour. And as for the scale models & artists impressions of the new Barrangaroo development - why do we never see images from ground level? Always from above - limiting just how obstructive it will be.

NSW has been the most corrupt state since it's begining with the Rum Corp. Some writer may like Singapor style of highrise over development without DEMOCRACY but I will fight to retain the right to have my say heard as my forefathers fought for 8 generations to hold and win. This "BLOW IN" as with over 750,000 others are chasing the money around and around the world. The problem is this is my backyard and I don't like it so get over the NIMBY slag,I lost my views with the building of the Casino and Jacksons Landing all ramed through by LABOR once the source of equity now the producer of inequity. I own a 100 acre turned into a "Wildlife refuge and carbon sink" KKK and Labor have now surrounded it with 8 coal mines buggering the water table across the whole system. And now this!!!! Has any one checked the share register for relatives of KKK or her self... KKK will be on the board of LL when the inevetable collapes of Labor happens. Don't think the Liberals will be any better I only hope the independance over welm both parties. I live in hope or it's to the barricades comrades!

Every time you see the word NIMBY in a comment, you can be sure it's the work of the Lend Lease spin doctors. Real people don't have a problem with the right of people to give their views on local issues.

People call me a Nimby, I don't care. What is a Canadian doing as NSW premier anyway?

Cris Stringfellow our premier is from USA and meet her husband that a C of C Pop visit and pop here she is Premier of NSW only took five years in the country to become a minister and a few more to become Premier says it all about outside influances in the State of NSW....a goverment not of the people for the people of New South Wales. Time to hose out this stable form which the horses are now bolting....one after another....we need to turn the pressure up to clean out this lot of s..ts.

Wow, the last few posts really show the mindset of alot of the people who comment here. The premier, like her or not, is an articulate and intelligent woman, and someone who utterly deserves more respect than she has been given here. BTW I hear boat people are stealing our jobs, and gay marriage causes earthquakes!?! Where's the comment page on that one- I've got some middle class hatred to spread around! Congrats to you all- What's the saying... if you give people enough rope, eventually they'll hang themselves?

JBY, I agree. This site demonstrates the racist xenophobic nature of the nimby. You people should be ashamed of yourselves!

Ha! My dear fellows NSW Inc and KKK as Minister for planning now Premier gets respect when she deserves it! As planning Minister she pushed through some very ugly developments and distroyed a hell of a lot of heritage. If thats middle class to protest agains it but class is not the point....I"m not by any way "middle class" Its the "form" of this mob of deviants running this STATE and how it has been run, Boyo's! If you don't like Democracy please move to Singapor were the TOP DOWN facistism rules. As a 1st boat people I do not have any truck with that mind set as some in the "Party of the People" now think. It democracy or death and all points in between. As for being ashamed? no! I'm proud of my refugee relative now Australians. JBY and Darlene all are welcome in Australia even you, get to have a go. The point is a blow in has become Premier in what can only be a fix. People who have given thier heart and soul to the Labor party got past so little ms KKK could have a seat due to her husbands conections and no other reason. It was a "FIX" and still is.

Keneally : articulate, intelligent, and just wrong.

Democracy, my dear friends, is most definitely in action. Just because it's not going your way you can't throw your toys out of the pram. There has been exceptional public consultation on Barangaroo. There have been public forums held by Lend Lease, community groups, submission requests, public models for viewing and more. All held to gain public input and dispel the many untruths being spread around like those here. It may surprise viewers of this website but there has also been alot of push from some members of the public who want the project to be more daring. Bigger. Bolder. Something reminiscent of the spirit in which the Opera House was built. Something that reaffirms Sydney as a world city. If democracy was being done wrong, the majority of Sydney would be protesting against this development while it were still going ahead. But it's not. While you may be very vocal, make no mistake you are a minority. If you were a MAJORITY, then democracy would be comprimised and I too would be calling for this project to be cancelled. If there were 2.5 million protestors at these marches, then I would wholeheartedly agree that this needs stop. Instead we have pockets of the vocal self righteous degrading this project into xenophobic hatred from behind the safety of their keyboards.

JBY ... this is not comparable to the Sydney Opera House. The Opera House is a truly public building; a Hotel is not. And where's the democracy in a Premier assuming full control of a massive/major development? This is indeed world scale - & she is not significant enough to do this, nor is it proven that she is acting in the popular interest - I (& many others) beg to differ. Hence this forum ... And please, have the guts to inform us, your 'dear friends' as to whether you have any affiliation - official or personal - with the Barrangaroo developers. Be honest, now .. One last thing ... just because I am opposed to this hideous development, don't you dare label me a racist or xenophobe. Don't patronise

Jimbo the word racist hasn't been typed by me until this sentence, so portion out your indignation a little bit better. The NSW Premier has not assumed full control of the development as you state, she has assumed MINISTERIAL control. Responsible only for the things Tony Kelly was before her. As announced publicly, this does not detract from the consultation process in any way, it merely gives the most important project in the last 40 years the attention it deserves by the premier. To state or imply anything else is misleading and anyone with the slightest knowledge of this project will see right through you. And I will gladly confirm I have absolutely nothing to do with Barangaroo, Thalis, the Premier, Lend Lease, it's staff or anyone else through association be it personal or business. I have nothing to lose or gain through this development, I am merely a born and bred Sydneysider who has a passion to see this city be the best it can, and am growing tired of it being dragged down by vocal minorities who clearly DO have something to gain and will stop at nothing by pushing their well funded and well publicised agenda. As I've previously said, it might surprise you to learn that ordinary Sydneysiders are passionate about this development being completed, without having a vested or financial interest. And finally, I'm aware the hotel is not a public building as you would define it. I was merely stating that the city needs to once again be daring in it's architecture and design, in the SPIRIT that the Opera House commissioned. Function should not come at the cost of beauty (and vice versa). This should apply to the entire CBD, not just Barangaroo.

Before you intoxicate yourself with your own rhetoric consider why Sydney needs to be 'reaffirmed' as a world city? Please describe what you think it is we are lacking. Thanks

Cris that is precisely the thinking that will see Sydney fade into obscurity. Just because something isn't so now doesn't mean it's not going to be... I shouldn't have to justify why this development is important like I have been. Without evolving to meet the well publicised changing needs of businesses (larger floorplates in buildings, larger spaces for centralised offices, environmentally sensitive skyscrapers etc) they will soon simply look elsewhere. Melbourne doesn't have such problems building modern large developments. Singapore isn't that far away, Shanghai is booming so much it would make your eyes pop. Reaffirming Sydney's place as a regional financial hub encourages international HQ's to be established here, encourages job growth, and the other multitude of things that go with it. To put simply (as you seem to prefer), if Sydney wrests on it's laurels, the world will eventually pass it by.

I really don’t know what all the fuss is about, with this development. If you don’t like tall buildings – don’t live in the CBD. This development is a huge improvement on the concrete slap that is there presently and the headland park is a great win for the city. As for the Hotel on the pier, its the best feature of the design – it has real character and shape.

Cris, go to other cities in the world. New York. London. Hong Kong. Singapore. Frankfurt. Toronto. Then you'll see why Sydney is starting to show signs of falling behind.

The anti-barangaroo people messaging on this site seem to be intent on stopping this project in entirety as their aim is to stop development full stop. The reality is that cities all over the world have been and are constantly developing for thousands of years and many more years to come. Cities are evolving entities and to live with the hope of keeping the staus quo of a city to one fixed point in time rather than allow it to evolve with time will ultimately lead to the decay of that city. What fascinates me is that our current generation of anti-development are happy to live and enjoy the benefits of a city which was allowed to evolve up until their time within that city however are now hell-bent on stopping this natural development and regeneration process and making sure its always 1996.

I am not anti-development or redevelopment of redundant infrustructor. What I am oppossed to is throwing all the controls/checks/balances/openess (after all it belongs to the all of us.) into the Harbour. We could go down the Chinese road and demolish our heritage and have "let it rip" capitialism where developers can build what ever any were and end up with a mega-City with wind sweeped streets, dark canyons,concrete public spaces (user pays of course)we could keep filling in the Harbour or be very bold and start building in the Harbour all with heliports naturally......is that the direction you really are pushing for? Allow any thing any were? In that direction we would now have a heliport in Pyrmont,highrise offices in The Rocks,Woolloomooloo, the same with all that heritage gone don't let history stand in the way of profit,apartments the hight of Centre point Tower, over shadowing Hyde Park, an expressway through China Town,Darlinghurst, Glebe, Camperdown, Newtown etc etc...all due to the NIMBY so called vocal minority. All are in context of this aguement as we would have now an unlivable city if we had not modified or stopped those developments. I've been to some wonderful Cities in this world and what makes them wonderful is they are NOT like Honk Kong..a dirty, smelly, over crowded city,Singapore a contrivance were it's history and street life now lives in concrete carparks or contrivances such as the Temples.Frankfurt which I found to be industrial but fairly livable although it has no soul, New York cripes how could anyone want that for Sydney is beyond me. Some writers appear to forget the finacial sector has what they refer to as CRASHS! We have had many luck Australia is in Asia and has loads of treasure to sell or we would have the vacance rates we had in the CBD during the 1980's crash of 38%+, hence that big plate development going belly up called "World Square"....I love my Xity and have lived here when it was unloved and I don't like this prositution of her by this goverment she's a lady not a whore and should be treated as such.

I'm tired of all the pro-Barangaroo people attacking people for having an opinion. People like Billy sound like a script direct from a PR office and it seems a big coincidence that it's the same message that Keneally keeps trotting out. We have said time and time again that no one is against development on this site but still we get the hysterical rantings from what sounds very much like vested interests saying we are stopping Sydney from reaching it's glory. We want development, just appropriate development and thousands of fair and right minded people including the planners at the City of Sydney, want the same thing. There is not one project that Keneally either as Planning Minister or Premier has shown vision on and none, including these Keating ego boasting towers with Lend Lease is licking it's chops over, have delivered Sydney with anything that faintly resembles anything other than mediocrity. The Barangaroo concept plan is a strip of bulkly, office towers, out of scale and out of touch with the city. They are too high and the floor plates too large. There is no vision. There is only greed. The greed of this government and a lack of any city planning ability or design flair. Give us bold, that's fine but this is just baldfaced ugly greed, driven by polticians who don't have a clue about vision, architecture or create a dynamic city.

@Rocks Resident, I'm sick of anti-Barangaroo people attacking people for having an opinion. People like you sound like a script direct from a PR office and it seems a big coincidence that its the same message they NIMBY's and BANANA's keep trotting out. As you can see, there are two sides to the story, which is why it is impossible to believe anyone who thinks their opinion is the only valid one. If you think it is too large or inappropriate, why not bring more to the discussion than rants or name calling. Show us what you would do instead. Your lack of alternatives highlights your lack of respectability.

Bigfella and Rocks Resident, I'm not a script from a PR office and don't represent anyone but myself and my opinions. As for NSW Labor I certainly don't represent them and nor do i represent LL. I do however agree with the stance KK is taking on this important issue. Comparing barangaroo to the union green bans in the rocks in 60s and 70s is quite comical. Barangaroo now is a concrete slab that isnt even natural yet people are protesting at its destruction. I am amazed at this. The fact is that the majority of the site will be open space with a new harbour foreshore. It seems that you wont be happy unless the whole site is proclaimed parklands. Bulky office towers are not out of touch or out of scale for Barangaroo because the last time i looked the whole city is littered with bulky office towers. Barangaroo is the city people. If not here then where may I ask?

Rocks resident said: "The Barangaroo concept plan is a strip of bulkly, office towers, out of scale and out of touch with the city. They are too high and the floor plates too large. There is no vision. There is only greed. The greed of this government and a lack of any city planning ability or design flair." The floor plates are large as this is what companies demand these days in new office buildings. If we go by your theory and build smaller floor plates then the buildings will not be leased as companies will find other places that vcater to their requirement for larger floor plates. No leasing and of course LL backs away and there is no point in building them in the first place. Which is what your ultimate goal is anyway, so that doesn't surprise me. In terms of height, the height of these buildings will balance the Sydney skyline with the talls in the nth east corner of the CBD. They are not too high as 200m is way below the 235m height limit of the Sydney CBD in general. This is not greed. Its about building something functional that companies want to use.Its about creating employment opportunities for the city. Its about attracting new companies to the city. Its about creating a new vibrant cultural precinct in the city. Its about creating more open space in the city. For a proposal to cater to all this is quite a feat however people concerned with their view restrictions and shadowing threaten to bring this whole project down.

Well the views are protected under SEP 26 which protects the view from Millers Point this was done before any development was proposed in 2008. The City of Sydney preposal does not deminist the size of floor plates in this development very much but has a step down approach which is more pleasing and does address "WIND SHEAR" which LL is unable or unwilling to address,(No wind tunnel modeling has been done!)[Mind the wind could be used to power turbines to power the development.Wind has increased in Millers Point and Pyrmont due to redevelopments thus far and may knock people off thier feet if this goes a head...try standing in Johns Street west at Pyrmont on a fair day!) in thier own words "We don't know."[Wind comes via Botany Bay straight down through New Town and Redfern) I attended several "Consultation" meeting but found that the interpitation of "Consultation" was "information" (IE Here it is .This is what we are going to do,Questions?) on the proposal, not consultation as thier was no way it was going to change come hell or high water. If you had attended the 2030 City of Sydney talks you would understand what most are on about and the objections to this CONCEPT PLAN as oppossed to a MASTER PLAN. Note:The time frame is 10 to 15 years for completion of the project. Several eminant people gave thier views on this part of the City and how it could be developed. One thing they worried about was having a large park without any residencial componant. As this was seen as dangerous to build a park with out any one near by using Central Park in New York (Satistics where supplied) as crime and anti-social activity is encouraged as thier are no one over looking or to hear victums screams. I would except a step down to the water for office blocks Southern end without Pauls water features which LL informs me will be damed. 30% of the site will be lost with them. Instead we get a dumping ground for LL to dump thier spoil. Streets with 4 stories buildings (Domicilary)set back from the water with playing fields (Children have to play as late as 7PM on available fields with many games cancelled due to lack of fields in the inner west during winter!)parkland mixed with domicillary is exceptable. Problem is LL and Paul chucked all that out! As for the return of the natural shore line it is not any where near that at any strech of imagination. Then there are the transport problem that has not been addressed.....It's all about PISS POOR PLANING or PPP. If big floor plates were of value why then did World Square fail?

The failure of the original World Square proposal was more a result of the timing of the project than due to design of the floor plates. World square was proposed around 1988 just after the stock market crash. It was also proposed at the time that Australia went into a deep recession hitting property markets very hard across Australia and the world. Commercial property demand lagged during this time with vacancies increasing due to the contraction of the economy. As a result many towers proposed during the bubble that was the 80's property boom never saw the light of day. World Square was one of them as was Park Plaza (now filled by the Citi Tower). It got so bad that Sydney was full of empty holes and with the Olympics coming up, the SCC actually was having talks with property developers to try and fill the holes that remained dormant for years. I repeat World Square was not a failure due to floor plate size but due to the economic conditions of the time.

A Development's failure actually equates to failure in its Planning, as well. People who regard Barrangaroo as a terrific developemnt ought to go to Henderson Rd & Mitchell Rd & see the ATP. The views of the old railway workshops have disappeared, obscured by a prefabricated monstrosity. And the influx of traffic & parking problems in the area is a massive problem. All height restrictions (as set by the Civil Aviation authoirity) were bypassed by the authorities, & no community consultation was done. Same thing will occur at Barrangaroo - any stalling interrupts influential people's $$ income. And they sell it to us as great arhitecture. Nonsense

Any development will bring an influx of people and traffic. Pre-ATP the site was under-utilised and hence not as much as traffic and people as post ATP regardless of the aesthetics of the building itself. The argument about increases in traffic and parking problems is always brought out by conservative anti-development types to scare the public out of accepting any development at all. I suppose using the logic of "increased traffic and parking problems" we should not have placed the ATP where it is with fabulous links to the rail network giving commuters the "option" to leave the car at home but at some greenfields site in the west with no links to PT..at least then it would be someone elses problem..

Jimbo the same thing will definitely not occur at Barangaroo. There has already been community consultation that has gone on for some time, planning is going through the premier as the site is of state significance, and height restrictions will not be even touched. The Casa height limit for the CBD is the tip of centrepoint tower, some 309 metres. The height of the tallest proposed tower will be 210 metres - quite a bit shorter. Please don't pass on hyperbole as fact when it is not.

Pre-ATP, the site was actually a railway workshop. Biggest in the country and, as I recall readingf somewher, largest in the sthn hemisphere. The elderly locals have stated that the area has never seen as much traffic. JBY, I have been given correspondnce from State Govt authorities & Clover Moore's office, in effect stating that the ATP & it's satellite dish are taller than permitted. Not hyperbole. And, the week propr to Channel 7 commencing their operations at ATP, the carpark owners raised the parking $$ rates by a large margin. Why? No brainer ... And if people aren't near public transport, then why not drive tot heir nearest bus stop/train stn? Should the inner suburbs of Sydney be bulldozed to become car parks or expressways? We are becoming like Los Angeles.

Billy-1984 before the crash and we lost a some great building in the process..val. But you appear to concur as we are still in the WWR or did we miss something? and have not suffered due to a two stage economy that's kept our boat a float. [In passing it was also partly due to "Fast tracking" of design that failed. It could not bear the wieght! Hence that Wilsons car park that was there till 2004.Interestingly KPMG architechts used a very clever design in that the current building on the corner of Liverpool and George streets does not take the full wieght of the building but is cantilevered and only rests on the former carpark.] Same problem with this "Concept plan" no really thought through properly and the haste in attempting to lock in the building envolopes before "the other foot drops." As it may or may not still heaps of bean counter around here working part time or living off the fat as they say, and that must tell you something. JBY Wrong the hieght is not the top of Centre Point Tower Just ask Westfields they tried that one on and had it throw out! There are different hieght restrictions around the City all are about shaddow thats why Westfields have only built appartments to thier current hieght (And it's brand new fully opens soon.)If you want that arguement try the observation tower at the North of the site any road its all about shaddows and wind when it comes to towers and hieghts thats how we have that valley effect in the middle of the Quay it's to protect the historicial buildings from being buried in shaddows.10am-2pm on the shortest day of the years for the surroundings not to be shaded. This changes all around the City due to tipography and historicial areas that need protecting hence the old Brewry site East of Central is lower thwn the other Kent Brewry West of Central.Same William Street 20 stories vis 4 stories Cathedral street difference is shaddows impaction but both are only 1/3 Km apart.

LOL Jimbo, we are no where near Los Angeles and the inner suburbs are not being cleared for car parks. My point was the site of the ATP gives people "the option" of taking PT or driving. However you can't force people to stop driving but you can deter them by increasing parking rates. regardless placing something like the ATP ina site that gives the option of PT or driving is better than a greenfields site with no option for PT and only allowing people to drive. Living in the inner city means you have the available employment, services and leisure convenience and amenity available at your fingertips of a major city. People live in the inner city for this yet will still complain about traffic. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

Bigfella - The fact is Sydney is a CITY. If you cant build big buildings in a city where there already are big buildings then where do you propose to build them?

No use arguing. I know that this is 100% going ahead.

Billy, we have had seldom little advancement in PT for years, yet road infrastructure has gone crazy in Sydney. And it's all to generate $$. The parallel bridge at Iron Cove is a vast waste of public money. 9 lanes of traffic, yet 200m further up Vic Rd sees 2 lanes disappear. Same happened on Epping Rd. It's all to do with $$, & not PT. A city the size of Sydney, yet we have the focus in the city. Why not spread the love a little?? And how much traffic is going to be generated around Glebe, now that Harold Pk is to be redeveloped?? Next will be Wentworth Pk.

BILLY, BILLY,?? DID YOU MISSED THE WHOLESALE CLEARING FOR THE EXPRESSWAYS AND CARPARKS? I'VE BEEN INNER CITY FOR MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE AND HAVE SEEN MAJOR WHOLESALE CLEARANCE OF INNER CITY HOUSING FROM WOOLLOOMOOLOO TO ENMORE FOR ROADS AND CARPARKS PYRMONT WAS CUT FROM ULTIMO,WOOLLOOMOOLOO FROM EASTSYDNEY,MOORE PARK FROM SURRYHILLS.AS FOR CARPARKS LOOK AROUND YOU AND YOU MAY NOTICE A BIG HOLE MADE FOR THE CARPARK THAT ONCE WAS HOUSING..BLOODY HELL THE DESTRUCTION WENT ON FOR YEARS.THIS ONLY SLOWED WHEN THE NIMBY ROSE UP AS ONE AND SAID STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR HOMES!1980/90'S WAS UGLY WITH PLANS TO WIPE OUT MOST OF THE INNER CITY WITH ROADS AND EXPRESSWAYS, WELL DO I REMEMBER. AS FOR LA THIS REFERANCE IS TO THE STUDIES THE RTA/GOVERMENTS HAVE SHELVED EACH AND EVERY INQUIRE THESE HAVE SAID THAT PT MUST BE PUT IN FRONT OF ROADS AS IT WAS AND IS VERY WELL KNOWN THAT THE MORE ROADS ARE BUILT THE MORE TRAFFIC INCREASES. IN NSW IT IS BUILD THEN THINK OF TRANSPORT THATS WHAT WE ARE AGAINST AND WANT PT FIRST BUILD SECOND OR BUT THE HORSE IN THE SHAFTS FACING FORWARD.SOME THING THIS GOVERMENT CAN'T AND WONT GET RIGHT.OVER $1 BILLION AUS WASTED AND NOTHING BUILT OR ANY POSITIVE OUTCOME!

ROLLY- WORLD SQUARE WAS 100% AND WE ENDED UP WITH A BIG HOLE FULL OF WATER THAT STAYED FOR OVER 2 DECADES(20YEARS.) BILLY-TALL BUILDING A CITY DOES NOT MAKE.

ROLLY- WORLD SQUARE WAS 100% AND WE ENDED UP WITH A BIG HOLE FULL OF WATER THAT STAYED FOR OVER 2 DECADES(20YEARS.) BILLY-TALL BUILDING A CITY DOES NOT MAKE.

Jimbo the twin bridges may not be wasted once the Greens/Independants come into power it will be used for the trams that will once again be back on the roads with the City car free.

... and can someone explain - to everyone, not just me - as to why there's a perception that Sydney will actually be improved/world scale if we have tall, ugly buildings? Will they aid investment? Or tourism? Why not put Barrangaroo into the jurisdicton of the Botanic Gardens society - extend some greenery? The planned B'roo waterfront will only become a public urinal for drunken teenagers at weekends - just like Darling Harb has become.

I am getting tired of the whining people. You ALL will NEVER be happy unless ALL development within the radius of 30 kms from your own backyards is halted full stop. Jimbo says why cant it be given to the botanic gardens. My answer which you wont like and see as a cop out is that the site is being proposed to be over 60% parklands. The southern section is dense to provide the balance and some investment in the city. Those tall ugly buildings you refer to will generate employment during construction and also post construction. Employment ensures that taxes increase and so on. The new ferry terminal will be like the new circular quay and provide a new doorstep to the city. Plans for a cultural and high end shopping precinct are also being proposed as part of this. I know the NIMBYs will not be happy unless the whole site is turned into some park but they will have to learn the art of compromise. I would prefer taller buildings on the site than what is proposed but know its not possible but can see the need for compromise. Why can't you?

Bigfella,you say that Nimbys are pro public transport. Well thats the biggest joke I have heard. The NIMBYs yelled loudest in opposition to the proposed CBD metro that Nathan Rees announced when he was premier. This CBD metro was the first part of a new Metro system for the Sydney metropolitan area yet people in Rozelle and Glebe and White bay were protesting against it. Your assertion that Nimbys are pro-public transport is an outright lie. They are for PT as long as it doesnt bring any more people or activity within 15kms of their backyards. The only LA I see is the one in your head as you have gone LALA.

Billy ... your are only extolling half-truths. People in Rozelle & Glebe were also concerned about how much space was goingn to be reclaimed for, you guessed it, car parking. Fkn joke. ha ha - right, ferry terminal (was only last year that the state govt wanted to stop ferry transport) & doorsteps (spew) to the city. Farcical. Carparks everywhere - and you know it. And, AND, you neglect to mention the new hotel. A floating hotel, no less. Real classy ... perhaps you & your cashed-up bogan friends might like to seek an alternative to going to Panferrs for an evenings entertainment of watching pole-dancers or Chisels cover bands by spending a night gettin' pi$$ed at Barrangaroo & trashin one of the rooms in the new hotel - & of course, drive home the next day ... but not everyone's like you. Hell, why don't they build this new finance techno-city hotel thing in your suburb?? Suggest it

I love this city.

I like your thinking, Mr Stringfellow. And just think, it'll soon improve ... we're all standing at the threshold of the doorstep to the new & improved Sydney. Just like I read in a glossy brochure somewhere. Maybe the pro-developers can lobby for bulldozing all of Sydney & rebuilding it ... and call it 'Sydney vers 2'.

Jimbo, Making assumptions about my background and leisurely pursuits is a fruitless exercise, even if they are true..;-) FACT: The metro was opposed by the locals. Its not a half truth. FACT: Nimbys do not support PT. Examples for you to consider aside from the CBD metro: 1. Bondi Junction to Bondi Beach Rail extension proposal (Locals opposed this), 2. Northern Beaches locals oppose a railway for fear that it will bring the "wrong type of person" to the area. 3. Chatswood to Epping line was originally proposed with a bridge over the lane cove river yet locals, worried about the noise and increased activity from the train station and shrouded this in "environmental impact" concerns. After much lobbying, the locals won with the line buried under the Lane Cover River however the cut and cover method of construction caused more environmental damage than a bridge would have yet this did not seem to concern them at all. The fact that now that the line was buried under the river meant that the Lindfield West Train station was not viable and therefore scrapped also was met with glee from the locals. 4. Cheltenham locals have formed an action group opposed to the addition of extra rail lines around the Main northern line due to noise and activity. This is the reason why the original NWrail link proposal was an "surface level" between Epping and Cheltenham but was later changed to the much more expensive option of tunnelling to avoid the wrath of the residents. What will happen when the feds give the green light to the main northern freight line which will still require the expansion of the rail lines at the surface level? They will oppose it even though it will mean that the new freight line will take trucks off the road. As for having the new techno-city hotel in my suburb. I wouldnt mind it at all. Wahrooonga nimbys however would have heart failures. Bring it on I say!

I HATE NIMBYS AND BANANAS !! Time to remove consultation altogether I believe!!! The selfish self-interested pricks just stop everything and are slowly ruining our city.

Right on, Jacko!! Yee Haaaa ... you're a visionary. Um, just one thing - are you talking about Nimby self-interested pricks, dodgy developer self-interested pricks, or corrupt govt self-interested pricks? Fair dinkum - Sydney's population is growing massively, yet we only have 'world-scale development' within earshot of the CBD. Jacko, define 'ruin' please ...

Billy Silly Billy you broke the rules I am not a liar I could ask that you be removed but wont. The oppossion to the Metro was in support of PT! $4 Billion for 4kms that would see the end to 2 rail corridors in the City 1 for the North East and on that would feed into the North Shore line a very under utilised line due to congestion in the current underground. We demanded that the money be reallocated to the North West of Sydney for Light Rail where it is desperatly needed. We are well serviced by bus and ferry and light rail.Bondi Junction to Bondi Beach was about overcrowdeding Bondi Beach is standing room only mid summer. Pengin colony like. they wanted it extended and linked up as per the Bradfield plan not turminating at Bondi Beach.Lane Cove has lost much of it's bush to "ROADS" with the locals keeping part of the lungs of the City. What the State Goverment did instead of our proposal for light rail was to spend $500,000 on a study into why Sydney should not have light rail!and the wasted another $500,000 in paying out for work not done on the Metro!!!!............In passing did you know what Wahrooha (your spelling is correct) means in Kau-? Means meeting place the ordiginal carobaree ground is where the main park is...white fellas took it over to protect it from development!My old folks did that we go a long way back in protecting and doing whats right to the land even tried to stop womens Hocky on the Mens cermonial Ground but Council couldn't see the light and quoted equal rights legi....

Jimbo he may be talking about Liverpool City or Parrammatta City or may be Bankstown City or Gosford City or has he missed our nsw goverments vision of a State of cities. Jacko we already done that years ago and we ended up losing our heritage buildings and ended up with a City full of holes!LET IT RIP and PASS THE BROWN PAPER BAG neanthal thinking poor capitialist just chaffing to have ago....

It's a government conspiracy fellas! Get ya tin hats on!!

Bigfella. What rules? So report me mate. Im not stopping you. I still stand by my assertions. The truth has been revealed anyway. You are part of the Light Rail Brigade believing that it is the saviour of all of Sydneys woes. Light Rail has its place but is not the only solution. Metro is a far better option for medium distance trips in built up areas. Light Rail is for more shorter trips. Metro has a future in Sydney but you persoanlly dont want that so you oppose it and kill it off becuase only your opinion is valid. No foresight in seeing that Light Rail and Metro can co-exist. You have one agenda and will oppose everything until your agenda is the only one that prevails. The metro is sadly needed in Sydney yet you have confirmed me what I knew along that locals oppose it and will continue t oppose it as it does not fit in with their own personal views.

Part of the answer and you forgot about the cutting of two heavy rail corridors! The Metro had not seen any light till some wacko drew it out on the back of an envelope when Nathien demanded PT It was the most expensive opion! They could and should of use one of the thousands of plans they already had instead it was back to the drawing boards AGAIN.The NORTH WEST RAIL LINK HAD ALREADY BEEN PLANNED that was the objection! If you had attended as many planning meeting that I have over the decades you would be aware of how many plans there are going right back to Bradfield....instead we get 4 kms to service Balmain,Rozelle,Pyrmont at an incredable cost. BILLY the rules of this site :LIBEL and ABUSIVE or haven't you read it? But I enjoy a lively debate mate so I won't...

Part of the answer and you forgot about the cutting of two heavy rail corridors! The Metro had not seen any light till some wacko drew it out on the back of an envelope when Nathien demanded PT It was the most expensive opion! They could and should of use one of the thousands of plans they already had instead it was back to the drawing boards AGAIN.The NORTH WEST RAIL LINK HAD ALREADY BEEN PLANNED that was the objection! If you had attended as many planning meeting that I have over the decades you would be aware of how many plans there are going right back to Bradfield....instead we get 4 kms to service Balmain,Rozelle,Pyrmont at an incredable cost. BILLY the rules of this site :LIBEL and ABUSIVE or haven't you read it? But I enjoy a lively debate mate so I won't...

I know people wanta kill me, odd name, you must of read all the Royal Commission Reports from the 1970/80's I take it. Or weren't here for those...?

I am well aware of all the plans. A result of nimby action against them never seeing the light of day. The metro for sydney was not drawn on the back of an envelope and is sorely needed for Sydney. There was some forethought to it, as it was originally designed to take rail where it did not exist before along heavily congested traffic corridors of the inner west. the aim was to create a viable alternative to the car parks of Victoria Rd and inner west. A Vic rd PT plan is sorely needed and not light rail, its too late for that. It needs a system that can be extended and added onto with higher frequency and volumes independent of our road network. The Western Metro would have allowed for the expansion of Heavy Rail and thereby increasing capacity for the outer western lines dependent on heavy rail and where Metro is not viable. The North West rail is sorely needed independent of the metro and will be built as heavy rail running into Epping and then following the existing alignment to Chatswood and via the Nth Shore Line. The only reason you advocate the NW rail and rubbish the metro is that theNW rail runs nowhere near your precious homes of the inner west and western CBD and runs along the northern suburbs bypassing you. A classic NIMBY example of advocating PT only when it doesn't come within 15 kms of my own backyard. Both the metro and NW Heavy Rail are needed. Open your eyes.

Fk I hate nimbys! They are destroying this city. Clover and her gang of wowsers must go!!

I thought it was universally recognised that Sydney has been destroyed by greedy developers doing dodgy deals with even dodgier politicians. Ugly eyesores abound as testimont to this truth. Nimby's I thought were universally thanked in Sydney as the only people prepared to stand in the way of the mighty developer and his thirst for cash. Let us not forget developers don't build buildings to make great cities, they do it to make money and to keep shareholders happy.

Nimby, nimby, nimby. Are we really to believe all you nimby haters are real people. Where is the vision in this project? Can you answer me that? Or do you have to go back and look at your PR script to tell me that? We find the design scheme very disappointing, ordinary and it is in part a very cold design that will alienate people. We wish it was better and we fear it is about to get rammed down our throats by a government in it's death throws and a developer licking their lips. Clover you are not off the hook on this either.

John and Peter, I am a real person and not some PR spin machine. What i write is my opinion and my opinion is that NIMBYs do not want this as it will ruin their view and/or bring more people and activity to the places they live and they cant stand that. Its a very selfish perspective actually. The vision you so want to see and the one the the nimby groups want is a vision devoid of human activity in totality and something that preserves their views and property values. Quotes above by others confirm my opinions with people saying "Buidl it elsewhere or take it to other parts of the metropolitan area". In other words Not In My BackYard = NIMBY. Forget the benefits such a project would bring from an employment perspective, cultural perspective, expansion of PT with new ferry terminals and light rail and not to mention that the majority of the site becomes parkland creating open space.

Billy ... you contradict yourself. Think about it ... You say 'nimbys' don't want these ugly developments in their ditricts, yet in the same breath you say that it's a selfish perspective. Why cannot Penrith, Parramatta, Hornsby, Norwest etc have 'modern' architecture, like Barrangaroo?? It's still Sydney, & it will not add to the congestion of inner sydney. Again, think about it ...

As a representative of the Friends of Barangaroo I would like to clear something up. We are not NIMBYs. We want development down at Barangaroo. Progress is important. Building a city for the future is important. We want an open and transparent process regarding development at Barangaroo. We do not want a hotel in our Harbour. We want the cruise passenger terminal to stay at Barangaroo. We want the building heights reduced to bring them inline with the city's built form. The definition of a NIMBY, in this case, is someone who doesn't want development to occur "in their backyard". We have members from all across Australia and abroad, how can they be NIMBYs? Our members who live around and work in the city want development as well. They want development in "their backyard", they just want it done right. How does that make them NIMBYs?

To those who hate on NIMBY's if Lend Lease and the State Government started building a tower in your backyard, would you just sit there and say "Well shucks, that's progress for ya."?

What I object to is the "CONCEPT PLAN" not development what is happening is the Goverment and Lend Lease are attempting to lock in the building evelope before the elections. It breaks many rules and has an increase floor space. This may be transfered once the floor space is locked in.What Lend Lease wants is the building envolope as the approved floor space then can be traded over the course of 10-15 years and I believe once the floor space is locked in....it's money in the bank!THIS IS NOT REPEAT NOT A MASTER PLAN! IT'S A CONCEPT PLAN!

Billy it stands out like bulls balls your talking through your hat! The Metro had NO, NIL,ZILCH,Bug*** ALL, SFA! plans..till after it was announced! It was set up to fail.It cut 2 rail corridors that have plans that should be activated using the North Shore Line via Luna Park saving resources and money,the other line runs under the domain the patforms and some of the tunnels are already there and must be reused again to save money and resources this could be linked to Hornsby station and then the North West but that wouldn't suit you would it. In case you missed it Pyrmont has a railway line right through the guts of it,it's now used by trams. It should of been the Airport line as it end is just near the Airport BUT Labor could not even work that out! Iam suprised by all the rabid right wing let her ripes supporting LABOR! I am amazed why folks who would never vote Labor would be so ardent! We also have expressways as well silly Billy.See National archives for maps of Sydney tram systems and the rail plans by Bradfield and expand your mind. It appears blinkered.

Jimbo - no contradiction at all...i was saying that the reason NIMBYs do not want the development is for their own personal interests of the perception they are protecting their property values by preserving their precious views as against the benefits this development will bring to the wider city. Therefore putting their own personal agendas ahead of the better benefit of the city = selfishness. I would love for proposals like this to be seriously suggested for ot5her metropolitan areas like Parramatta or Penrith but it wont happen.

Austin, that's fine if the "FOBS" don't want a hotel in the harbour. There are equally (if not more) people that do like the proposal of the hotel in the harbour. You talk about "FOBs" wanting the building heights reduced to bring them in line with the city's built form - well the current height proposals ARE in line with city's built form. Heights only go up to about 200m and these are already reduced from the original plans. The last time I checked the city was littered with 200m buildings and many buildings between 100m and 200m. The height restrictions of 235m is not breached and the Sydney Tower height of 305m is preserved completely as the tallest structure within the CBD.

Bigfella - I talk no more through my hat than you. ;-) Great Hat it is too.

Next time you're looking at the city please note that there are not 200m high buildings surrounding the edge of the CBD. Lend Lease's Barangaroo buildings would not be inline with the City's built-form. They would not be inline with The City of Sydney's 2030 plan. The hotel in the Harbour breaches Maritime Codes and circumvents the previous precedent. The streets of the Lend Lease design are poorly planned. There is no firm commitment to renewable technologies being installed on the site. There is no commitment to improving public transportation to the site. The list is endless. The modification for the increase in building envelopes and the hotel in the harbour hasn't even been approved yet! So Lend Lease has basically won you over with a few slick graphics and some PR. There is nothing of substance coming from either the State Government or Lend Lease.

Billy, not everyone has a 'view' of the city - I certainly don't ... nor, I suspect, does everyone who's opposed to the proposed Barrangaroo Development. And sydney's planning has a poor track record of taking into consideration traffic impacts on the inner suburbs. That's another aspect of what you seem to not understand.

Visit the City of Sydney web site for the facts!Thanks Billy but yours is over your eyes and ears! Take a trip of enlightenment via the City of Sydney web site and find out what all the fuss is about and it an't about being anti-development or pro-development it's about a livable City as for the Hotel sitting in the Harbour it wrong and apart from any thing else it will have wind problems as the site is on the edge of the wind flowing from Botany through Redfern and Darling harbour and will blast East into the City.READ AND VIEW WHAT THE FACTS ARE AND HOW YOU ARE WRONG! WWW.cityofsydney.gov.au and read!!!!!

Haven't been to Parrammatta of late have you Billy? take a trip via Google street view and its a 6 month old view at that and be delighted by over development and while ya at it take a look at Liverpool,Chatswood,Rockdale and see what happens without the NIMBY. Sydney the basin of Cities!I don't own anything Billy!

Barangaroo - C of S webpage ... http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Devel...

Tar Jimbo;{)forgot the .NSW.

What the hell has happened to this State of ours? Oh that's right Iemma, Rees and Keneally LABOR incompetence and NEGLECT. Unfortuntately though there are many way too many LABOR voters who are just that. They vote LABOR in the belief LABOR stands for what it once did the working class Australian. What a bloody eyesore and blight on our city if that garbage is erected.

Mallone - do you honestly, truly honestly, believe that it woulda been any different if the Libs had have been in Govt? Has it not even entered your thick head as to how quiet Barry O'Farrel has been regarding Barangaroo? Please ... it was the Libs who almost demolished Victoria Street, Kings X. And how much development fast-tracking did Nick 'Freddo' Greiner do? As much as KK is disliked, many voters have their hands tied politically. Dodgy & shady deals 'tween developers & govt = political bipartisanship. Perhaps this is why Labor voters feel so disillusioned with Labor

These are the facts. 1. Barangaroo is part of the "cbd" The "cbd"is where tall buildings are being built and have been built for many years. Suddenly Jimbo, Bigfella and Austin dont want tall buildings and act as if its an outrage that tall buildings have been proposed for a site in the CBD - so OTT. 2. The assertion that there are no 200m on the edge of the CBD is also a lie. Deutsche Bank Place stands at 243m, Governor Philip Tower stands at 227m, Aurora Place stands at 219m and all of them are on the edge of the CBD with lo and behold the botanical gardens and Domain opposite them - sounds very much like th plan at Barangaroo. I repeat the proposed towers at Barangaroo are all SHORTER than these other "edge of CBD" towers. There is no breach here. 3. The COS 2030 plan calls for nothing more than "villages" (actual term used). Thats laughable. The definition of a village has about 100 people living in it so of course the towers at Barangaroo dont "fit" with the COS 2030 plan - in fact no current existing building in the CBD fits with that plan. 4. I have been to Parramatta and worked in Chatswood and they are fine and it is good that alternative CBDs are evolving in our metropolis it means the decentralisation of employement opportunities for all of the metropolitan area. Funny how one NIMBY on here wants the metro aea to take the big developments and leave Sydney CBD with none at all and another NIMBY laments the development of those same alternative CBDs. Proves NIMBYS are never happy unless their own plan is agreed to 100%.

Dear All, Streetcorner is seeking feedback from locals on the detailed designs for building C4 - currently out for public exhibition, link to article here http://www.streetcorner.com.au/news/show... Is Lord Rogers design bold and visionary or boring and bulky? Let us know what you think of this 180 metre tower. Regards Streetcorner, YOUR voice in the community

Wow Streetcorner, just locals? You'd almost think you were trying to get a reaction by hysterical locals who almost completely oppose any development at Barangaroo. How about the rest of Sydney? This is a project that effects the whole state after all.

Billy, you seem slow on the uptake. I said in an earlier post that Barangaroo site needs development, my concern is for traffic implications, usage, an issue which a Premier deems appropriate for personal control & particularly the definition of planning & public space (with a floating hotel). Stating that you have 'been to Parramatta - & it's fine' suggests that you had a look, & didn't ask anyone. I went to Lithgow once & it's fine, too. If you're gunna make assumptins, get your facts right. Don't assume on my part

Hi JBY, In this context we didn't mean "hyperlocal" rather Sydneysiders... We don't cover areas outside of Sydney, but naturally anyone is welcome to comment. Cheers Streetcorner, YOUR voice in the community

Both STATE of NSW Political parties are bent, lets not forget BOB ASKIN and those Woolies bags of cash delivered every Monday morning by the Commissioner of Police!and on and on. My point was rabid righ wingers supporting Labor against thier natural inclinations..odd! VOTE INDEPENDANT OR GREEN A POX ON BOTH THE LABOR AND LIBERAL PARTIES IN NSW MY VOTE IS NOT FOR SALE!Billy,So you haven't broadened your knewledge by visiting the Cities web site tsk tsk small wonder your raving!Try visiting the War Memorial Garden and see how greatly it's been respected!@Chatswood, "Lest we for get" once Chatswood was famous for it's rose gardens and had rose shows and open gardens I saved the bit left between the carpark the southern roads!

Both STATE of NSW Political parties are bent, lets not forget BOB ASKIN and those Woolies bags of cash delivered every Monday morning by the Commissioner of Police!and on and on. My point was rabid righ wingers supporting Labor against thier natural inclinations..odd! VOTE INDEPENDANT OR GREEN A POX ON BOTH THE LABOR AND LIBERAL PARTIES IN NSW MY VOTE IS NOT FOR SALE!Billy,So you haven't broadened your knewledge by visiting the Cities web site tsk tsk small wonder your raving!Try visiting the War Memorial Garden and see how greatly it's been respected!@Chatswood, "Lest we for get" once Chatswood was famous for it's rose gardens and had rose shows and open gardens I saved the bit left between the carpark the southern roads!

re Jimbo - Sydney posts attacking Mallone. You ignorant fool. Do you see Barry O'Farrell mention in the post you are attacking? Do you see any suggestion in that post that the Libs are better? What we do know is that serious issues were raised to the incompetent and inept Labor MPs Robert Furolo, Linda Burney, Paul Lynch, Barbara Perry, Iemma, Rees, and Keneally about the scandal of Canterbury City Council staff and its dishonest General Manager Jim Montague. Robert Furolo was the Mayor of Canterbury Council. Linda Burney made fully aware of the dishonest of the General Manager did nothing. Anything to do with the Mayor being a LABOR MP! Iemma directed it to Lynch to respond who did nothing. Anything to do with Furolo and Iemma being mates and both BURNEY and FUROLO doing nothing! Years later a NSW Ombudsman FAILED this Council stating it lacked leadership. Yet these LABOR MPs not only did nothing then and for the years that followed but they sat there watching an 80 year old incur a debt of now nearing $300,000 because the General Manager of this Council had to protect and lie to solely so he could protect his and his managements team FAILURES. These people were required to put aside their conflicts of interest and address the issues but they chose to destroy a woman's and her families lives. They continue that also http://bit.ly/PSVideo1 We repeat - No one suggest Barry O'Farrell or LIBERAL were any better and we definitely do not suggest the GREENS (just a sub branch of LABOR) could do better as the Greens Councillor at Canterbury has clearly identified herself as condoning the UNREASONABLE CONDUCT of this Council as being acceptable.

To end. Robert FUROLO failed to apologise to the woman. Linda BURNEY has failed to apologise to the woman. Have one of these people ever been to see this pensioner woman? NO. It was addressed to FUROLO and BURNEY in 2006 yet not one of them ever bothered to visit her. From 2006 to now these people do nothing. Have a look at the offer they condone, made to an 83 year old woman with a debt nearing $300k to an issue that has a direct impact on her and the safety of people. In short, we will provide you with SOME information if you sign a confidentiality agreement that will prevent you from ever revealing it to the public. LABOR FUROLO, BURNEY, PERRY, KENEALLY couldn't careless. We also question why Barry O'Farrell does nothing about this but that is not a reason to continue to support LABOR. We also question why the NSW Ombudsman who reported errs, inconsistencies, improper conduct, FAILURES, a Council in leadership, unreasonable conduct,... advised the Parliament recently that the Council has apologised and is addressing issues when it didn't nor had any intention to.

Mallone, I reckon I am far from ignorant, thanks. But my swipe at you re the Libs is intended as a 'what choice have we got?' Indies?? Pffft - look at Clover. No-one is disputing your examples - but it is conduct not specific to Labor only, as you point out ... and as I did earlier too. So where exactly was I ignorant?

Correction: A Council lacking in leadership is what the Ombudsman report stated.

Jimbo posts 'what choice have we got?' ... Mrs Mallone had no choice but to follow the dictatorship of the General Manager of Canterbury Council Mr Jim Montague. He received a Public Service Medal in 2006 and Mrs Mallone received a $240,000 legal defence debt in 2006. The Supreme Court action against her in 2006 failed but the unreasonable of conduct of Council ensured she also failed in her defence. For two full years (mid 2003 to mid 2005) Council was fully aware Mrs Mallone's land had become a major safety risk to a neighbouring property. For TWO FULL years Council did not inform her and it hindered the neighbours from addressing it. Then for the next year it dishonestly did NOTHING. Then he wrote to BURNEY stating Mrs Mallone's neighbours had failed over numerous years to reach an agreement with Mrs Mallone and this led to legal action against her. LABOR MPs and up did NOTHING. "The choice we have" is to tear down the elected people who REFUSE to serve their constituents as they are expected to do.

Streetcorner: Cheers for clearing that up. I'm releived everyone effected will have an opportunity to contribute :)

So billy it's great you love 6 star ratings so do I at last we can agree. VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT LIBERAL OR LABOR they both stink...I love Sydney and NSW we need more thinkers instead of stinkers!

That's great Mallone ... but what's your reference to Barangaroo & KK taking the reins??

Jimbo - references to parramatta was not directed at you but at others who told me to go have a look there. Yes I am aware that you have said about traffic implications but i have also said before - that ANY development will have traffic implications and therefore advocating only those developments that will not have traffic implications means advocating only a plan for no development whatsoever at the site. PT is planned for the site with Light Rail down Hickson Rd and connecting into main city loop. A new Ferry Terminal is also being proposed for this development as part of PT options and also there are way less planned car parking spaces proposed for this in comparison to other developments. Lets also not forget that Wynyard station is only a few city blocks away and an easy walk with links to all major lines on the CityRail network (except Illawarra line). All this equates to a reduced reliance on traffic meaning lower traffic implications but we still hear the same fear factor about traffic issues.

Wynyard is at maxium capasity now and is over crowded in peak hours, it is also a fire trap as it can not be evaucated in case of fire or bomb.It is a disaster waiting to happen and major body handling has taken place due this fact! The lightrail(Clover Moores contrubtion.) is not locked in yet or signed off on and must be built before anything else and before that a cut and cover for heavy rail connected to north Sydney and Centeral via tunnels,ala Metro type development(It's only a few Kms) problem now is the South East feeder tunnels just completed for the electricials for this site....Talk about lack of planning! Just like the North West were PT rail etc should of been built first as it is much easier then having to tunnel after cut and cover or above ground before any development took place...so lets get this one right first time and cheaper then after.

exactly, BigFella ... thanks. When I last worked in the city (nearly 2 yrs ago) the amount of people at Town Hall platforms was alarming. Again, lack of planning taking place. Could it be that, maybe, the CBD is at maximum population ... and I will never be convinced that Clover's Light Rail solution will eventuate. It has been mooted for years, but ... Clover's intention is to one day clear the cbd of cars - yeah roght. All that will achieve is to turn the ring suburbs of city into free car parks for day commuters (which is already beginning to occur)

Bigfella and Jimbo, you'll be pleased to know that there are plans currently awaiting approval for the redevelopment of Wynyard station, including (OMG) an office tower on top. This will better integrate with Barangaroo and any capacity issues it might cause at Wynyard until a Metro proper is built.

Bigfell and Jimbo The planned Western Express Line will add to heavy rail capacity through the western corrdior of the CBD and serve the Barangaroo precinct well. As JBY states metro will eventually be built adding further to capacity of the CBD. These ongoing developments and expansion of PT options will ensure that the population of the CBD can also expand.

JBY and Billy I have advocated an extention to all station across the network to increase Heavy rail by two carriages but keep on being told it is too expensive! Yet they wanted to spend 4 Billion on 4 kms Metro.I have no problem with building over platforms as this is means to pay for infrustuctor. Bring it on and build it before any "Concept building" all I have ever asked for is some foreward thinking within the planning controls as pointed out by Councillor Mac Innerney in last weeks Herald. I await the building of heavy rail as with most things this Goverment (State) touchs it may never see the light of day.

Jimbo,Sorry but have to disagree for once. It has been the NSW Gov Inc/ RTA that is holding up the reintroduction of trams IE they just spent $5 million to find out why trams how would not work!!!!Clovers 2030 plan has been well thought through.(Did you attend the City Talks by The Sydney Morning Herald? If not there on again so come along it's informative.)She should get credit for at lest tackleing the The problem unlike our State Gov!! It's all about congestion in the CBD. Sydney is well behind other "World Cities" as far as removing cars from the centre of the City. It currently takes over 40 minutes for a bus to travel from Central to the Quay in peak hour!(An increase of time since 1990 of 10 minutes and is getting worse)To walk the same route one is held up by traffic lights (All this was measured.)Still it is faster to walk then ride on a bus!Studies show most traffic is not going to the Quay but North to the east and west. Building more roads is how we got into this problem in the first place instead of PT when the State should of in the years gone by. Removing cars also improves health! Try Martin place at lunch time and see how fat we have become, we are building out fittness in our built enviroment,Berlin band cars pre-1990, New York has done it this year and is staging till 2020...most important it makes folks happy in the end to beable to walk about unimpeaded by traffic.

Jimbo - Sydney posts That's great Mallone ... but what's your reference to Barangaroo & KK taking the reins?? The reference is that KK and her merry mob of lazy, inept and incompetent fools will do anything to protect their own failures from disclosure. Disclosure is a requirement if the public are to have any integity in them. Yet that is NOT occurring with Barangaroo as it wasn't with the Mallone issues. You may say Local Council has nothing to do with State Govt but it does. When a local govt department is acting dishonestly and unreasonably and the local MP does nothing, and the Minister of Local Govt does nothing, and the Premier does nothing....and then the local Council denies an elderly woman her rights unless she signs a ridiculous confidentiality agreement so Councils negligence can't be revealed to the public, then there can be no integrity in anyone who is in a position to address it, but who does NOTHING. Have a good read of the NSW Ombudsman report into Canterbury Council or Manly Council. This is what your rates and tax dollars are paying for. Dishonest Council staff; GMs that aid and abet them; Councillors and Mayors who do nothing; MPs who do nothing; Ministers who do nothing and are not interested in meeting with the Ombudsman and a Premier who does nothing. So you ask what reference there is to "Premier Kristina Keneally today announced that she will assume ministerial responsibility for the $6 billion Barangaroo project".

To all the NIMBY slaggers I'm call on the Goverment to re-open Glebe Island and White Bay Container Terminals due to the planned expansion of Port Botany which will impact on our enviroment and eco systems in the bay and destroy food production. White Bay and Glebe Island have heavy rail teminals and are secure. All that is needed is moden container lifts. BRING BACK THE WORKING HARBOUR!!!And I live oppossite it!What ya think of that rabid right wingers!Cheaper then expanding and no damage to the natural systems! Yar off topic but not really it's all part of whats going on with our State Goverment.Even allow building over rail terminal.

Bigfella, how nice of you to "allow" the govt to use white bay and glebe island for what they have always been used for. Is it possible you prefer that to any development proposals there? You know the metro line you so deride so much was meant to have a station right there at White Bay..perrfect redevelopment opportunity for high density housing or a nice sports stadium..hmmm Port Botany expansion is already under construction anyway...are we witnessing a wolf wrapped in sheeps clothing....using environmental concerns in botany bay to keep white bay as it is and therefore deny any possibility of future development?. Nice one..

Not at all Billy I have been fighting for years before it was closed to keep it open as I love a working Harbour and have found the promised none expansion of Port Botany has not taken place even in the face of KNOWN PROBLEMS with Botany Bay such as the lose of sea grass and sediumination and lose of beach fronts due to; 1.airport runway extention. 2.Refinery expansion. 3.Port botany container expansion. All filling in parts of the Bay. The expansion will destroy the heritage gardens...know any of its history Billy? It all about night soils!White Bay belongs to all of us Billy but our Goverment has forgotten that! As for your snear,I have and always will call for a "WORKING HARBOUR" as I have done since 1980's. Oh yar I'll take a "WORKING HARBOUR" over developmental greed by a few any day Billy. I even want the Powerhouse in White Bay to be converted into low cost housing and Artist work shops/space...you know the people whose work hangs on Corperate walls?..more sports fields for public benifit and lots lots more....I could never be called a "SHEEP" by any one "Are we sheep to be prayed apoun? NO! We are MEN! AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!" the cry of the Inner City Residents 1980 on when attacked we attacked! So get over it Billy we are still here and always will be...now how about some creative input!

My creative input is this. More density, high rise living, commercial density for Sydney's inner suburbs.

sounds r e a l l y creative, Billy. You're a visionary. But where will everything fit amongst all the cars/traffic, expressways? Dull

Jimbo sounds like Billy works for NSW planning with his vision of overcrowded, pollution ridden, sunshine devoid,violence pronen,recreational devoid, windsweeped concrete jungle...totally unliverable enviroment..read RATS IN A CAGE a study into highrize living.Increased denisty leads to 1.Isolation, 2.Territorism,3.Agression 4.Suicide 5.Murder.6.Pettie acts of anti-social behaviour, = Disfuctionality and fragmented communities. ala the reason this Goverment state as the reason for "desposal" of Highrise Public Housing Estates! Now you want to pack to the sky, shove em though the roof,with you look forward to all the anti-social activite that will lead to the Police State just like Singo! good one Billy! Not what I wish for the future and a reminder why we must keep fighting on against this sort of tick. I support building over the Orange Grove shunting yards some 200 acres available for housing,Billy-thats down from Billy Goat Hill,or as some call it Rozelle get to know your City and it's people it can be very good or just plain ugly in every way.That's why we fight these stupid megatrons it's all about humanizing and human scale not just the looks. Like your posting across the net Jimbo.(:-I{)}

Bigfella, that's a load of utter crap! I live in a highrise apartment in the city and LOVE IT (using capitals to shout it out like other crazy weirdos because it means that people will listen more because my arguments are a bit weak usually). I have so much choice around me, it's a continual buzz. I get to just wander to a massive selection of cafes or shops to meet my friends. It is actually a sweet way to live and I've never felt unsafe. If anything, the 24/7 crowd reduces the risk of crime. I'd hate to live in the burbs or in any lowrise area lacking density. I'd go crazy with utter boredom. Seriously. Why do you think highrise apartments in the CBD and adjacent areas are so popular? And they aren't cheap so it's not like people are only doing it because they are forced to. You've just demonstrated, again after just reading as many of your posts as I could endure, that you are ignorant, arrogant and that all your ideas are based on assumptions. Leave us happy apartment dwellers alone thank you and stop being so prejudiced and racist!!

Tilly, I live on the city fringe - Have done for 16yrs (after having grown up in Balmain & Drummoyne), & I too love it - or once did - and would suffocate if I had to live out in the 'burbs. But I've noticed that the areas on the cbd's perimeter have turned into free commuter car parks. The point many folks are making is for sustainable development, & for the recognition of traffic implications. It just isn't happening in this city anymore.

Carparks? Wat? Most of us who live in apartments hardly ever use a car, if at all. It's all about public transport, or even better, foot. Compared to the energy hungry people of the burbs who have to drive everywhere for basic services, we are way more environmentally friendly -thank you very much! The more dense our inner city area becomes the less we need to travel anywhere else. I've now just read your posts too Jimbo and you seem almost as xenophobic and ignorant of the benefits we apartment dwellers receive as Bigfella. I'm guessing you live in a house close to the CBD rather than an apartment therefore you also do not understand, but think you do - because apartments are evil and so must be the people who happily choose to live with evil. Only sprawly houses must be happy places right? Tutt tutt.

Tilly, you don't know me, nor anything about me other than what you've read thru some blogs. Don't make assumptions on my part. Who the hell said apartments were evil?? You gotta problem?? And if you reckon that inner-city flat dwellers don't drive cars, you're wrong. Very wrong. You have completely missed the point - so, for your benefit, I'll type it slowly ... so maybe you can understand a bit better - the people from the outer areas of sydney - unlike yourself - drive into the city for work/play and congest all the streets around the inner city. They don't like to take public transport 'cos it's icky & costs a lot, & they might actually have to walk too much. The issue is about 'planning' and what constitutes an appropriate issue for a premier to take personal control of.

Wat? I've got no idea what you are talking about. Sorry, you don't make any sense. Whoops.

TILLY!Your assumptions are incorrect,and slander! Rasism????What racism tilly? show me, quote me? go on! I live in an appartment myself in Pyrmont!Billy is from the Burbs Tilly, so your A about T with that assumption. Jimbo is correct people from the burbs park in my street all day while I walk or pt.Increasing building above the limits and capasity of PT is a not planning. I've lived in the Inner City the best years of my life over 40 years since I went running and screaming from the boring sleepy burbs and love it, edgyness an verv, for all you do.I totally agree a 24/7 crowd is the best protection against crime as is knowing your community.I am oft fighting for the nocturals like my self against those who arrive from the burbs trying to shut up shop at 8pm or 10 pm who have stated "I don't know why any one would be up after 12 MN anyway." Thats my point with my postings to "BILLY" who wants cheek and jowl let'er rip,wackemup developments with out controls or community infrustrutor, with Heliports at Pyrmont Point,Megatron commercial building and over crowded railways included then we get the "Rats in a cage syndrom".I am not racist and I dare you to find any racist comments on this blog !My 700,000 comment is about the financial sector folk JWHoward imported in an attempt to change the politicial landscape from the middle to the "Dry Toryies"....no racism just ask Mandoo Habibe an aquantance of mine due to assisting in getting him out of Gittmo!!!!My in laws an my ex are from OS so don't let your assumptions get in the road!YOU READ THINGS INTO MY BLOG THAT JUST ARE NOT THERE!Yes I'm yelling. This is a blog about planning for "The Hungry Mile" and it's lack of accountablity and I am in good company. The point to Billy was that with out proper planning and community input we get bad out comes and conflict. I note you live in the CBD not Redfern, I come from Pyrmont where we now have territorialism "My block, me floor,your not part of the estate you shouldn't be here" "It's public space dear." We have had many suicides 6 in the last 6 months...and have some very depressed young mothers till a "Mothers group" was formed to aleviate thier lonelyness. and so while you are happy and I take it middle aged not all developments are. I am arrogant in the face of Urban ticks who are now bringing thier nurotic behaviour into my enviroment IE Pyrmont! but not racist nor mad so please hold your assertions as they are incorrect (except arrogant)This is about proper planning and stopping wackemup bugger the rules we don't have any accountablity to the wider community....we own the land not developers! Arrogant indeed and fact yes I am!

Tilly-In passing appartments are the heavies users of electricity and water due to no clothlines and airconditioning...try a web site on the FACTS!Over assumptions.Very wrong footed my dear.And your thoughts on the subject at hand Bangaroo?

I'm not sure what you are going on about Bigfella. You ramble. And honestly make no sense. Seriously. Try living in a highrise apartment rather than bagging it. It's great! I love it.

Tilly-Please read the rules of this site you have slandered me by calling me a racist.Try reading my posting when you sober up!

Billy-lose the frock.

You know what Bigfella. You make assumptions about people from the burbs parking ion "YOUR" street. You don't own the street. Its the property of the government and we all pay taxes. You are free to park in the burbs too. And don't make assumptions about the people from the burbs always driving. I myself gave up my car and use PT everyday. No parking. The ones who drive do so because there is no other option. Your comments prove your insularity and your desire to shut off Sydney to everyone and put up the "closed" sign and "house full" sign. People like you have a lot to answer for.

No frock here Bigfella. Tilly and Billy are tow separate individuals who just happen to be, heaven forbid, like minded.

Billy, it's terrific that you take PT to work. But too few people do now - esp. when coming in from the 'burbs. It's happening in Redfern, Alexandria, Erskineville, Neutral Bay etc. Your argument that there's 'no other option' - why not drive to one's nearest train stn etc? The more people drive to work, the more traffic, & then govts construct more roads to suit. More people should take PT. Sure, the Crown owns all land, but the argument is that rate-payers actually deserve a say in their residential areas. It has a great effect on people's lives - believe me ... to a point where developers see an opportunity to make a buck (ie: car parks). And if more 'burbs get some greater Commercial development, & people start driving & congesting all the residential areas nearby ('burbs), you'll understand the intense impact it'll have on the quality of life there. Sydney needs a generic attitudinal change towards commuting - driving to work is costly in many ways, yet people would rather outlay the costs rather than PT.

Jimbo, you talk of attitudinal change in sydney siders to accommodate the victims of the inner city who have to put up with more more car parks and street parkers from the "burbs". The only way this will happen is if PT is developed further including plans like the Metro lines and more heavy rail lines - a lot of these PT plans have been shouted down by residents and nimbys alike. We are going round in circles as I have said this before. I am all for more PT and you make it sound like you are too but only when it doesnt come within cooee of your home...its a bit hypocritcial really. Also no need to preach to me about the quality of life aspect etc etc and only understanding when more traffic comes through my own piece of the burbs. My house fronts onto a traffic sewer now and handles way too much traffic for what teh road was actually designed for but im not complaining. I understand that with economic and commercial development this is bound to happen..its a shame others dont see it this way..

Billy, I am not a hypocrite. When I bought my home it was, & still is, right next to the railway, close to a stn. And we had word that light rail would soon be introduced. It hasn't. The Metro was a great idea. But like I keep saying on this forum ... the lack of proper planning is what is apparent, for the rapidity of developers & dodgy govt ministers to make a buck - & especially an issue which ought to be deemed appropriate for a Premier to take ministerial control of.

I must say I really like what is planned for this site. It will be great to get a whole new precinct for the city. Thanks.

Gina ... can I ask, are you a fan of the proposed Hotel there?

Sure am! It's a little bit of boldness and I like how this development is breaking dreary old rules. I find it all exciting. Thanks.

Good one Billy;{) Tilly is confused about high desity and high rise if she lived in Redfern instead of the CBD she would understand what I mean.The carparking is due to the Casino patrons who drive instead of riding to it.Glad you take PT. I see you support the expansion of heavy rail. The current Goverment (state)has built nothing of note in the last 14 years except roads! The North West has been developed without any PT which must always be built first before any development. This leads back to the development at hand. It has no plan in place to service Bangaroo (The Hungry Mile)which may never be built. As for that hotel it opens the Harbour to developers and the islands within it. It is a concept plan and I believe it's all about lock in air space that will be transfered later as we have seen before in Sydney it will be money in the bank for LL now the other foot is about to fall c/o WWFC.

Jimbo, it is interesting that you have a desire for people in the "burbs" to drive their cars to train stations and then take PT into the city. In order for this to happen car parks have been built around train statiosn to accomodate the "park and ride" commuters that are out there (and there are a lot of them). Yet, in an earlier post in this discussion you yourself had asserted that you were opposed to the proposed CBD metro because of the "ridiculous" amount of space allocated to car parks at the metro stations. It is interesting that you advocate the park and ride scheme for the "burbs" but in the same breath, denounce it as lack of foresight and planning for the CBD metro. This IS hypocricy. And these sentiments embody why Nimbys are hypocrites and that they deserve the Nimby brand. Advocating proposals for other "burbs" but not for their own is what NIMBY stands for = Not In My Back Yard.

Bigfella, I dont know about Tilly but she/he seems to be speak logically and without confusion to me. You however are a different story. What is a WWFC? World Wrestling Federation Crisis perhaps? I am a PT advocate and want more PT for our fair city. Problem is people like you and Jimbo who claim they are for PT but then denounce every new proposal that comes within 15 kms of their front door. As for the claim that there is no plans for PT at barangaroo, we have been here before and I assert that as untrue. There is a new ferry terminal being planned, a light rail loop down hickson rd feeding into Barangaroo and connecting with George St, the western express heavy rail line and the CBD metro. There is a also the proposed development of all of Wynyard including rebuilding the whole trains tation with an office tower on top. All these are excellent proposals which will assist in transporting people in and out of Barangaroo.

World Wide Financial Crisis. WWFC. No transport plan has been signed off on. The ferry terminal has no backing from the NSW authorities (All though I support PT) and may not happen as with the ferry whaft at Pyrmont and Blackwattle bay, Glebe. The state stopped water taxi after it started a service from continueing and actively stop it.nothing is locked in or signed off on, it's all smoke and mirrors. Metro; 4kms @$4 billion....then it was to be sold off before the next stage...yet the north west is in dire need of a state heavy or light rail and for $4 Billion... I do not denounce "EVERY" new proposal. Only those that will kill off future options.Tilly has never answered the question: What do you think of Bangaroo? and confuses highrize with highdensity...END.

Billy, you've missed my point entirely - perhaps I should have worded it more succinctly. But a little pondering on your part would not have gone astray ... It is far preferable for people to PT to work. Walking to their nearest stn/bus stop etc is the ultimate, if driving is not feasible. But having a major convergence of all commuters into the City CBD is my point. Parking bottelneck. There's a buck to be made by developers, hence the $$ exhorbitant amount charged in CBD car parks. Because of this, 'burban folks are driving & parking in the areas surrounding the CBD - residential areas. And really, it's because they are lazy or disinterested in taking PT to work. I know because I have asked them. But the point of this entire forum is of whether a Premier should assume ministerial control of a development. Billy ... why do you think she has done this??? kerCHING

Jimbo I haven't missed your (hypocritical) point at all. You advocate one thing for the "burbanites" but rubbish it as ludicrous for your own backyard. I paste for you 2 quotes posted by a "Jimbo" on this very forum as evidence of this hypocrisy. Jimbo quote in one post regarding the proposed CBD metro: "People in Rozelle & Glebe were also concerned about how much space was going to be reclaimed for, you guessed it, car parking. Fkn joke. ha ha" Jimbo quote in another post "too few people do now (take PT to the city)- esp. when coming in from the 'burbs.....Your argument that there's 'no other option' - why not drive to one's nearest train stn etc?" To drive to the nearest train station you need ..umm.. a car park but you laughed at the idea of car parks at the metro station.

Tony Kelly says public not interested in Barangaroo, Greens disagree. What do you think? Are Sydneysiders interested? Do they know or care? http://www.streetcorner.com.au/news/show...

Billy ... my point is that the cbd fringe should not become (as is happening) a commuter car-park for outer 'burbanites - as is happening now. The inner suburbs of sydney are not car-parks, not should they be reclaimed as expressways for the ouetr areas of sydney. And like I said on my previous post ... "It is far preferable for people to PT to work. Walking to their nearest stn/bus stop etc is the ultimate, if driving is not feasible" I lived in Sans Souci for a long time, & worked in the city. I'd drive to Rockdale or Kogarah stn & park there, & PT to work. Seems everyone did. Keep parking issues local - as I also stated earlier about mass traffic convergence into the CBD & inner suburbs.

Insular comments Jimbo. Typical sentiments of "keep the rest out of my area" Blaming outer suburbinites for parking woes of the inner city. The inner suburbs are not car parks for the out suburbanites. That is hogwash. The cars you whinge about are owned by those people living in the inner suburbs with their flash 4 wheel drives and 2 and 3 car households because they simply can afford it even though they have excellent PT options. When I lived in the outer suburbs I rarely drove to the city and most of those i knew rarely did as well. You still advocate car parks for the train stations of the outer suburbs, far from your house, but not for the ones near you on the proposed CBD metr. Thats still hypocrisy in my mind. Those car parks at the metro stations were not for the outer suburbanites but for the locals who live near you.

Billy, labelling my posts as 'hogwash' is a compliment, coming from you. There have been 2 traffic & parking studies undertaken in my local area due to the 'burbans parking in the city fringe, & PTing to the cbd from there. The Bunnings at Rosebery is also looking for ways to deal with this issue - their car park is being used for exactly that purpose. And I speak to people in my very street, notwithstanding the surrounding streets, who tell me that would rather drive here from home & pay tolls as opposed to PT. I am not imagining anything. I've also received emails from Clover Moore (not that her word is gospel) indicating how the CofS is looking at ways to stop this practice. But tell me, Billy ... are you in favour of this giant, floating Barrangaroo Hotel?? There's an intimation from your posts that you are a progressive, forward-thinker ... please inform us of the last great public building erected in Sydney?

Jimbo, I am sure that CoS and you could muster the funding to build a giant wall with boom gates to keep those pesky outer suburbanites out of your area. How dare these foriegners from suburbs you wouldnt dare dream of visiting impinge on the local residents ability to freely park their gaz guzzling and emission creating cars in the streets they live on. Even better you should propose a transit centre of sorts which they would be forced to register through and be screened before they could enter your hallowed neighbourhood. CoS and Clover Mooore should hang their heads in shame if their priority is to stop the mobility of people who are just trying to earn a decent living. The VAST MAJORITY of outer suburbanites travel by PT from the suburbs in which they live. CityRail handles almost a million commmuter rides per day. I acknowledge that there may be outer suburbanites who drive then park locally but these are the MINORITY. Get on a train at St Marys, Mt Druitt, Blacktown, Parramatta, Liverpool, Fairfield, Revesby, Sutherland, Chatswood and the trains are jammed with commuters. Get some perspective and focus energies on PT proposals and being advocates for PT and helping the proposals through rather than denounce and object to every PT proposal because a small percentage of it does not meet your own personal criteria. (No proposal will ever meet 100% your own peroal criteria) Creating a more reliable PT system with options might just alleviate that problem you spend so much time lamenting and trying to stop. By the way, I do advocate the hotel, I think its bold and what this city needs. As for the "progressive forward thinker" comment..thats your label (with a hint of sarcasm I believe).

... thanks for your insight Billy. All you've done is echo what I've stated earlier. If these poor unfortunate day commuters, who seem incapable of catching a peak-hour train, sincerely need to drive into the city, there are car parks there for them. A mate of mine's 2 tennage daughters drive to Rosebery every day from Menai to take a bus into work (town) from there. I've asked them why & they tell me, matter of factly, that they like to drive. What you seem to not understand is how much traffic congestion effects small streets, housing small homes, in residential (rate-paying) areas. Things like legitimate visitors (family/friends/loved ones), tradesmen visitors, day-carers for the elderly. All these issues become untenable when streets are used as free-commuter parking. All that the CoS is really going to do is introduce restricted parking - $costing locals$- & essentially forcing these 'burban day-commuters to either park elsewhere, creating more parking headaches somewhere else, or to eventually take PT, or park in the city car parks. And mentioning a huge boom-gate is, sad to re-state it, hogwash. I know nobody who wants that.

Jimbo, My sentiments do not echo yours. You make no mention of the fact that you are focusing on the minority of commuters here. The majority of outer suburbanites take the commute from their home suburbs. You make it sound like the whole of Sydney is travelling to park on your street. As i Said get some perspective. You advocate "forcing" outer suburbanites (you and your fellow neighbours would be exempt and be able to freely park for however long you like and without cost)to use a form of transport that may not currently meet their needs or lifestyle. Yet when proposals for new forms of PT are publicized (that may just meet the needs and lifestyles of those people you are so much trying to deter from parking in your street), you rubbish them to quote as "F*ckn ridiculous". So lets get this straight...you don't want "foreigners" from the outer suburbs ruining your ability to park whenever or wherever you like and you don't want any of the proposed PT options (like metro) in your backyard either. You truly are a NIMBY.

Billy, you have a chip on your shoulder. Not my fault if you have adopted a 'us v them' attitude ... build a bridge. I have stated several times on this forum now that improving PT would be ideal for sydney, as would decentralising commerce. I have a planning background &, personally, believe that Hornsby would be a great local for a major commerce centre ... particularly when you consider the rate of population growth on the Central Coast, proximity to Hornsby, it also has all necessary infrastructure. But I know this will never happen, & I also know that you will label me a nimby. Seems people cannot hold such a view without being labelled that. The topic of this forum is also as to whether the Premier should assume ministerial responsibility. I've also stated that Barrangaroo site needs some new purpose - what I dislike is fast-tracking Hotel developments & being sold ugly public space options. I dislike the proposal, but you like it. Simple really, isn't it?

I have no chip on my shoulder Jimbo. I don't take kindly to hypocrisy. The only solutions I have heard you offer are ones that will only reduce the number of people within your neighborhood. Hornsby is a nice "ideal" for a major commercial centre. However in order to make a project like Barangaroo commercially viable for a place like Hornsby you would need to ensure that all the necessary infrastructure is there to entice major companies to locate there. The population of the Central coast is growing however it is not enough for a project as large as Barangaroo. The total population available who would work in Hornsby is about 500,000. Hornsby is not easily accessible from many parts of Sydney including anywhere south of the harbour and west of Parramatta (on PT anyway) thereby denying companies the access to employees from those areas should the Hornsby you speak of become a reality. In comparison, Barangaroo is accessible by most of the Sydney Basin. The radial nature of our roads and rail systems means that jobs in the city including Barangaroo are accessible to most workers than the satellite cities on the periphery. So Barangaroo, in my personal opinion, makes sense from this perspective.

So, what you're saying Billy is that the cbd or, for your preferable benefit, the developmentable zone, of sydney should keep expanding in an ever-increasing & concentric arc, absorbing some of the historic & traditional suburbs of sydney - many of which pre-date the automobile - as commercial centres and/or car parks? There's a Brave New World. Sounds as soul-less as Canberra. My suggestion for Hornsby was not necessarily Barrangaroo. For you see, Billy, Barrangaroo is at, um, well, Barrangaroo! My view for Hornsby, which was by way of a mere example, is as a possible centralising of Industry in the greater Sydney Basin, which would include the Central Coast. And I do not see your point of Hornsby being isolated - there is an expressway (via the Western Sydney Orbital & Sydney-Newcastle), trains & buses.

Most of the people I grow up with around Hornsby now live on the Central Coast having been driven out by over development! Interestingly the State had a plan for a growth centre at Mt Kurrigia (Ridge and river people.) but that was canned due to "bush fire risks" along with the North West railway that was to cross around there in 1960/70's I now get lost at Hornsby now that it is having older units and shopping centers ripped down and replaced by highrise appartments and mega-malls (The first unit block is oppossite the "new" fire station at Bridge and Pacific hwy.)Time to move on folks this has been well and truly rungout.Onto the next step stopping the TOXINS from entering the harbour..please turn the page....END AGAIN.

Jimbo, yes Hornsby has buses and trains but they service only a small proportion of the wider sydney basin. Trains from Central via the North Shore and Northern lines and from the central coast. The other multitude parts of Sydney would not consider a job in Hornsby as viable unless they were to drive (even then the time taken to drive is long from some parts(, however the option of driving flies in the face of what you are advocating (ie get everyone to use PT) Penrith to Hornsby via Road is over an hour and via rail close to two hours. Campbelltown to Hornsby via road would be pushinmg close to 1.5 hours and over 2.5 hours by rail, Sutherland to Hornsby even longer. You can not expect people to travel these hours. It is also interesting that you call for centralising of industry in the Sydney Basin somewhere (away from the CBD presumably) but in previous posts you also call for the decentralisation of commerce away from Sydney CBD. You and Bigfella are right it is time to move on from this pointless argument mostly due to the fact that I am tired of arguing with you anyway.

I agree about moving on Billy (at least we have come to some level ground) But if I may just state one more thing - I did state quite clearly that my Hornsby suggestion was an example. And I used to work in Hornsby & Parramatta - and PT'd to work.

I really like the proposed development and hope it is not delayed further. I would like to see them start building right away because I look forward to frequenting this brilliant new city precinct. The great leadership shown on this issue by Labor has re-affirmed my vote for them. Should be good for tourism!

HO,ho,ho,hohohohohoho What a load of..........See City of Sydney objections and court injunction re-toxic waste reclaimation.....Yar if you like to glow in the dark Janella.

I think Billy and Jimbo need to put their petty bickering aside and make a baby. Make love not war.

... isn't Billy a man?? Kinda hard to make babies if she is - or if he isn't ...

I am impressed by the effort that Land Lease have gone to to be carbon neutral and to cherish our environment. They should be commended for setting a good example that only others could dream of. I hope this sets the standards going forward. I can imagine that most people are supportive of their efforts to look after the place well.

ha ha - right said, Darley. All that concrete n steel ... Tip Top! Pfft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3wJJhHaa...

The review of the Contaminated Land Management Act 1997 (CLM Act) was undertaken 2003. The review reflects the commitment of the New South Wales Government to the ongoing improvement of the management of contaminated sites to ensure that human health and the environment are protected.

Premier Keneally was for a time the planning Minister, some of us understand she has responcibility for so many sins against the people, I wonder how she looks at herself in the mirror. I am also well aware of the matter surrounding Magda Mallone, and i suggest some of those who have commented should consider the obvious conflict local Government Minister Barbara Perry has when expected to consider the way State labor politician and Mayor Robert Ferolo has oversighted the way Canterbury City Council conducted itself on ratepayers behalf. Edward Janmes 0243419140

All I can say is sucked in Jimbo and Bigfella! Youse lose! Your attempts to hold this city back failed. This has been approved and it is a great victory. Sweeeeeeeettttt!!!!!

Victorious ... opponents of that proposal were never gonna 'win'! Which is exactly what this forum is about - dodgy deals, mate. Holding back the city ... pffft.

well well well, whattya know ... (( Holding back the City - or using it for one's own fiscal gain )) Little wonder she assumed ministerial control of this site, fast-track it before she gets dumped. Shameful > "EXCLUSIVE THE husband of the Premier, Kristina Keneally, is set to gain from plans by a government agency to build dozens of parking spaces for electric cars at Barangaroo that will potentially benefit a company in which he has a $1 million stake.

We'll see about that when the Royal Commission is held into who got what and when Victorious. So you'll be voting for rampant corruption or NSW (Right)Labor I take it. Unlike me who will continue to support independance and the Greens. Bet you loved the sale at midnight of the power stations as well...Its all on the nose and the (dead) rats will be found out. Just like they where via the Royal Commissions in the past.We need honest politicians not carpet baggers!

I can picture Jimbo and Bigfella wearing tinfoil hats. lol

Holding back the city Jimbo??? That's rich coming from you considering you want the city to resemble a desert devoid of activity and people unless you are one of the few that lives there.

What royal commission Jimbo? You only see things as corrupt because your point of view did not prevail.

Sorry my last post should be addressed to Bigfella not Jimbo

Billy, I was quoting the 'holding back the city' quote via a post from 'Victorious' you should read all posts & responses accordingly

They paved paradise And put up a parking lot With a pink hotel, a boutique And a swinging hot SPOT Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got ‘Til it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot THE husband of the Premier, Kristina Keneally, took all the trees And put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people A dollar and a half just to see 'em Don't it always seem to go, That you don't know what you've got ‘Til it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot

HEALTH NOT WEALTH

You all missed that part of the anouncement "approved a further increase of 15% floor space on top of the already increased floor space already approved"....Royal Commission was mine not Jimbos which shows your interest Billy...that is yet to come...after all the rats have run or are run off the rotten ship NSW Inc. To all the supporters of corruption and Carpet baggers I take it you will be voting Labor next year...LOL

Toxic Waste, you talk rubbish. The whole site is already a paved wasteland. Thankfully that paved wasteland will be turned into more than 50% beautiful parkland and open space. Total paradise out of an existing wasteland!! Seriously, Toxic Waste Talker, do you think people are falling for your propaganda that is designed to hide the fact that you are more concerned about your own personal situation like losing a small, and only a small, portion of your rich person's views? And a 15% increase in floor space? I wish it was twice that amount because this is the CBD of Australia's premier city!

I would love to see a big picture of Paul Keating on the side of one of the buildings facing Balmain. Would serve as a wonderful reminder as to who their daddy is.

ha ha - I'll pay that, Nathan. Actually, the pic on the SMH website of the Premier & her husband would be good too - next to a few dollar symbols (to complement the cheesy grins) - kerChing!! And maybe a bird-flip

2nd that EnmoreNathan and Jimbo LOL :I- Paul in all his socialist glory...never was. KKK and hubby facing St Mary's.. $$$$ signs have those in big green flashing light (diods of course)..the one finger salute facing Darling Harbour..A big toxic sign facing the park as a reminder whats under the headland to come. Ah the oppotunities with 15% more space to play with Merry Christmas children.

Paulo Stanziks you seem to not understand that there is Toxic waste under the concrete and that the concrete will be removed and the soil dug up teated quickly then re-buried under the future headland park. The toxic levels will be still high and could leach into the Harbour as it has in Homebush Bay were this Goverment has been happy to allow development as with Newington all are toxic and should of been capped and left or removed and reburied away from people and water....don't believe me? Then ask the Goverment why they banned commercial fishing in Sydney Harbour and recreational fishing West of Gladsville Bridge or why they recommend not eating fish court in Sydney Harbour. or if you must no more then 500gms @ month. They know dangers but don't care! Visit the EPA web site for more information on toxic levels around Sydney...before you buy any property as it may be toxic or radioactive!

The people having opposed this development based on the premise of over development should be ashamed. They don't deserve to live in a city and certainly don't deserve to have a voice in the planning of Sydney. I for one am angry with the government, essentially for the opposite reasons. This development is lacking vision, lacking bulk and height and lacking the innovative approach that Sydney requires to compete globally. Essentially its just not enough and a lack of development potential on every level. I am astounded that such boring average design is now the benchmark of our city's future. Some liken it to Dubai ... if only we had their vision and ability to get things done on a grand scale. Sydney is steeped in mediocre outcomes with insular and backward planning curtailing any meaningful leaps forward. Hopefully this abysmal design will set some precedents for more building in the harbour and will see the total annilation of consultation that is driven and skewed by ill-informed and selfish NIMBY voices.

I love my city "Crap Heap" and will not be moving any were if you like over development then please bugger off to Hong Kong or Dubai (And join the others in jail!) as being ill informed :http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au MP06_0162MOD4 is very informative Max 209m Blocks 1-4, reduce promenade from 60m to 27m. enlarge concept plan area etc etc...OH and files/6275 Housing Commission Objections re noise. "Equivalant to the end of the airport runway of over 98db.+ . Far from being ashamed at my activism Iam very proud of it so far 'we have save from the developers vision of Sydney Woolloomooloo multi-sky scrapers of mixed residental, office, commercial sans all heritage, Victoria Street Kings X,Multi-sky scrapers same as previous,The Rocks 3 office towers sans heritage.Must forget Queen Victoria Building demolition for sky scraper and on and on. Folks like youand your lilk would bulldoze all in the name of progress and expect the tax payer to pick up the bill. We have been there before in this State and the result of "let her rip development" and it was and is UGLY! That is why we have laws and rules which some "Capitialist" refuse to understand the reasoning that went into them. the same people "Dry wigs"' "Thacher Torries" "Ragon economists" dont believe in community or society and are happy to tramp under all controls in thier lust for bigger and bigger developments thus tell the locals to leave. It is unfutunate that they get thier way from time to time and the broader society is left to pick up the pieces once they move on to other lands in which to plunder..It's our land and we will not be moving on, please jump on the firsat plane out of here and take your mates with you..carpetbagers! I love my City and it's people well before it was gentified and made safe for you. This is only round 7 and we are a head on points thus far! Ding!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha Bigfella. How does it feel to be a loser? LOSER!!! You have lost. This will be great for Sydney, and good for tourism. You and your retired, soon to drop off, nimby brigade failed to destroy Sydney. Your love of seeing Sydney die when you die, ie, not far away now, has failed to give you any sense of pride. You will have to cope with the shame of your loss and take it to your grave, soon. How will you cope? I do hope you live long enough yo see this completed. IN YOUR FACE!! Victory is ours!!!

Sad reflection on yourself "The Winners" did you get a bonus? It was not warrented. Pathetic individual you are for post such rubbish. You broke the rules tut tut. No, my ego is not the size of a flea, mine is large and it protects my from failure of those thoughts. Far from wishing to die due to losing a battle (Unlike some who have hanged themselves over the Americian crash.) I view it as an on going war of which I have fought most of my adult life unlike the blow ins chashing paper around and around the world in the hope it will bring happyness I know who and what I am my weakness and powers unlike some. They fall over the absise at the slightest defeat. But I am also supported by the knowledge that all will come out in a Royal Commission eventually and then what will you do? Apparrently reaching for a rope it seems. Pathic creator.

So Bigfella, you think you are tough hey. Why don't your try and argue your point over here then - Good luck buddy!

As an old bloke, I'm Very Pleased that Barangaroo has been given the OK and cannot wait to see it rising proud on the edge of Darling Harbour. I want my city to grow and prosper and I have little patience for the fearful naysayers who seem to oppose any change or anything new. Bigfella: dont' mean to be nasty but you might like to devote your time more profitably to improving your spelling and grammar - it might give your arguments a smidgen more conviction.

Greedy cashed up developers have an inside run with government. To hell with people involved in building our city, forget about their harbor views or glimpses. If you have the influence and cash to back it up, move right to the foreshore ! In fact lets find a loophole which permits the moneyed classes to build on the foreshore and beyond. God help anyone with property close to water they are pressed to set back acknowledge the neighbours right to quiet enjoyment including the view, and comply that is the order of the day! Who recalls when the media exposed just how many wealthy water front property owners had illegally encroached onto foreshore land. Part of the Sydney Harbour Foreshore Reserve was simply occupied by greedy opportunist. Nothing is sacred when money and influence comes into play. Keep an eye on the Brisbane Waters at Gosford.Lend Lease and some shock jocks have taken an interest in moving "things " along. Edward James Writes Labor is circling the drain!

Sydney finally will have a world class precinct to be proud of,a development that will break the anti-development attitude that is so strongly expressed in this city. Sydney needs Barangaroo to rejuvinate its CBD and harbour foreshore and good on Kristina for backing this! cant wait to see the end result of Barangaroo and headland park.

Sydney needs more height, more density and more people, get on and build it, and f the nimbyists

Sydney needs to be bulldozed to make way for Hong Kong, give Clover and her brainwashed followers something to really whinge about. Sydney really is nothing and we have been fighting a loosing battle in maintaining even moderate status. Barangaroo is but a baby step in a more positive direction, hopefully our baby teeth are the catalyst for bigger things and we grow some fangs before too long. I want these anti-development types to be left out in the cold once and for all, hopefully most of them will be relegated to the crypt before too long anyway.

I'm just glad that those getting in the way of this fine development are being swept away by the tide of the majority who are looking forward to seeing this all come together. I am a little disappointed that they weakened the proposal with their baseless whining as it could have been even bigger, bolder, more in your face and overall better. But at least this will help Sydney move along. Good stuff.

I think Kristina Keneally.” Is the nicest lady to be able to pass $6 billion dollar deal Just before Christmas , To help support her husband ,Merry Christmas every one your the ones paying for it HO HO HO HO

So The Winning Side thinks its funny to hack a bloke does he/she (Real girly act that)Well I hope you anjoy prison over Christmas as yopur broken the law. THATS HOW TOUGH IAM. Weeweeeeweeee.I see you down at Bondi when you get out idiot weak arguement so you resort to cyber crimes.

Tomnapier;I take no offence I started working @14YRS old and payed for most of our educated Uni grads till that was stopped via my taxs and I never complained about my 67% tax rate because I believe in free education. I've given up an attempting to spell thats what spell checks are for, love technology as long as I get the message across I don't care.Gorkkum leave it alone you'll end up with "Paronies sydrom". Bigger bigger oh oh dear oh dear.

Bigfella - you mention that you valiantly fought to save the rocks and QVB and the Loo from greedy developers and njow your seeing this ongoing war for Barangaroo in the same way. The key difference is that the rocks and QVB and the Loo had something to save..Barangaraoo is just an ugly slab of concrete. You selling to us that Barangaroo is in the same league as QVB and the Rocks is an absolute joke.

Barangaroo is not simply an ugly slab of concrete. It sits on the fringe of the CBD. The proposed development will tower over the CBD and in my opinion this development will obscure and ruin the great CBD skyline that we all see - not only look into it but also looking out of it. I suppose all of the people who want this development will eagerly accept future progress in their backyards when their neighbour or near neighbours want to develop huge inappropriate buildings near them. Buildings that remove sunlight, remove views, remove privacy, etc... Those critical of NIMBY's are normally NIMBY's themselves.

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The common thread is that they were all bad corrupt and not in long term interest of the City as is this OVER development is also.

this forum is tited 'The ultimate conflict of interest? Premier Kristina Keneally takes over Barangaroo' ... and after what the SMH disclosed last weekend, it's pretty much proven. Wouldn't matter what was built on the Barangaroo site - it'd be extolled to everyone as meritorious, but the truth is it's about a very few persons making a crapload of dollars. Corrupt & subversive

these idiots say there is no toic waste on the site? so why are they going to spend $100 million to remove it, i wish these fool would do thier home work b4 they open their trap,22 ministers have left because of corruption the only left is still doing it, and she wasn't even born here

I am very much looking forward to the new proposal going ahead. I think it has the perfect balance of parkland, open space, commercial, residential and retail and it looks really flash. I love the hotel on the water, it will be a real landmark and should be good for tourism. I am impressed with what has been designed and I think it will be one of the best places in Sydney to hang out at. They have really designed this with the public in mind. There will be great adventures to be had. Thanks!!

This is a good win for our fair city, it is pleasing to see that quality development will be taking place in the near future. I am sure that this will continue the city's longstanding tradititions of moving with the times. If we were to waste our waterfront by leaving just a strip of grass there, we would be like Perth. Who would want to be like Perth? ;) Heheh. We are a sophisticated and exciting city, not one where taking a walk is the height of existence. Also can someone explain to me: what is a NIMBY? I keep seeing people write about NIMBYS. Are they members of some organisation?

Why do you guys keep changing your names on the post ,? barangaroo when its finished you can eat fresh mangos under the trees and get feed grapes while laying back on a sun bed? are you people on drugs? its been proven that Nsw premier is trying to close everything down b4 she is caught out holding the bag the public is on to her now and she is going to be exposed, the rest of her party have left her like rats leaving a sinking ship ,Its a Toxic waste zone land lease payed to get it tested now want $100 million to remove it? and you want your kids to roll in the dirt there and eat strawberries and cream . no thanks

Come on Bangas and LL. Just get on with it. Ignore the NIMBYists and their narrow minds. Let'em move to Adelaide where they can practice their NIMBYism, keeping the shops shut and being all-round spoilers.

"when its finished you can eat fresh mangos under the trees and get feed grapes while laying back on a sun bed?" No, you can work, generate income and build up the economy of Sydney - not like its gonna happen on its own. Bang-a-roo is about providing office space so that people can work, entertainment and retail space for after hours and a hotel so that people visiting Sydney, including those with business in the office areas, have somewhere to stay.

These PR folks make me laugh they have even sent me mal ware trying to shut me up and unsibscribed me...THATS TELLING. I've discovered our Paul Keating has hhe island off Barangaroo (Who hated whitefella greed!Taking more then you need and bugggering up the systems.)KKK is trying to block inquires the Nimby slagging goes on yet all are well aware it is not about NOT IN MY BACK YARD 'S but Corruption and over development any one with knewledge of our past and our City would be aware of this. They would know about the attacks on the CDB and the Billions lost while off line for 4 hours and why no bank in thier right mind would put all there clearing into one mega site. ANy way again who's paying for all this de-toxicifation and links???? Muggins the NSW tax payer and do we get value for money NO as usual! Our Paul thinks the Harbour Islands are ripe for development. AUstralian National Line can't ship out of port Botany and Deepwater Ports are few except in Sydney we are selling them off at rock bottom prices and allowing developers to gotge themselves on airspace! Which equales money. Fair Dickom desolve parliment and have the election! Before diging your self deeper...Jail is still possible for corruption in NSW! WE WILL FIGHT ON PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRMS!

@ Aleysia ... a 'Nimby' is an acronym (there's a big word for ya) which stems from a government trying to convince people of the merits of their hideous proposals, which really only mean they pocket craploads of money. ie: Nimby = Now I Must Buy You (taking a walk is the height of existence - ha ha ..) How anyone cannot see the point of the subject of this forum, in light of what KK has been exposed of over the past fortnight, is a buffoon. Grab & run before the election.

Do you have a link to Keating and the islands. I'd love to see Sydney Harbour islands developed, much like Stockholm. It would be good to see the harbour inhabited - I'm sure it can be done tastefully. I'd love to see Cockatoo Island working again, if not, then built for residential with marinas and ferrys for its inhabitants. Ditto Spectacle, Goat, Shark and even Rodd Islands. It wasn't the NSWALP that killed Sydney as a working harbour (represensible though the NSWALP is) but the NIMBYists - the same ones trying to kills Bangas. They like the romantic idea of Sydney harbour working but don't actually like the noise, the smell, visual industry the landside transport system that supports it. Anyway, Newcastle and Wollongong are crying out for more industrial jobs so we should encourage ports and industry to concentrate their, and have better transport from these to Sydney

Why be dishonest Jimbo - NIMBY stands for Not In My Back Yard and you know it, although BANANA is also a valid description (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone) which sums up many BAGists, who don't have the excuse of Bangas being in their back yard. Lift up Sydney, higher and higher!

sounds like a perfect world, Riccardo - you've persuaded me. but, um, if all those islands you suggest were to be enhanced, as per your suggestion, what are the odds that the Banga's would object to their development? New Nimby's Actually, why is it that anyone who objects to crass, tasteless over-development should be coined a Nimby? Do people who oppose money-hungry greedy pollies & developers not deserve a voice? I wasn't being dishonest - I was being sarcastic.

Any NIMBYs who move into Bangas should be listened to the same extent as current NIMBYs - ie NOT AT ALL. Anyone who objects to something because it is near them is a NIMBY. Object to the Burj Khalifa tower in Dubai or the ICC in Hong Kong - wait a minute - it's not near me, it doesn't affect me, why should I care? This logic makes you a NIMBY. You want to object to something. Buy it, own it, then it's yours to do with what you wish. Break open your piggy bank, buy the whole of Lend Lease, or at least a few seats on its board. Then you can decide for yourself not to go ahead with Barangaroo. Otherwise, it's their business not yours.

Riccardo ... you neglectt the title of this blog - so for your convenience, here it is again (& let us know what you think then) - "" The ultimate conflict of interest? Premier Kristina Keneally takes over Barangaroo "" mate, it stinks of corruption, particularly considering her personal involvement thru her husband. You're a fool for condoning this behaviour - or a PR stooge

I, for one, am impressed with Kirstine Kinellys decisiveness with this project. It has won me over and demonstrates strength in conviction. It is a grand vision and a great thing for our city. Kirstine, Labour and Lend Leese should be applauded for pushing through and getting this done for Sydney and it's future. They have defied the spineless knickers. Well dine.

HO HO HO! Merry Christmas! All you good boys and girls who have supported the development of Barangaroo because you want to see your city continue to prosper, the announcement is one of your presents! All the naughty boys and girls who only thought of themselves and opposed this development, you'll have to mend your behaviour next year! HO HO HO! Merry Christmas!

GEEEEEEE Sorry Santa! you neglectt the title of this blog - so for your convenience, here it is again (& let us know what you think then) - "" The ultimate conflict of interest? Premier Kristina Keneally takes over Barangaroo "" mate, it stinks of corruption, particularly considering her personal involvement thru her husband. You're a fool for condoning this behaviour - or a PR stooge,But You are rite we are talking about the HO ho ho!All the naughty boys and girls who only thought of themselves and opposed this development, Are correct in doing so! When they start to dig you will have to find another place to land! and also is it true that your dear eat Toxic mushrooms to fly? well Barangaroo is full of Toxic waste! When the workers start to bring the dust home and infect the you will have less presents to give to the children, watch the rate fall after development!

sorry about spelling about the dear deer

I'm back and no amount of hacking will stop me! RIGHT! Firstly the land blongs to the people of NSW not Lend Lease 2nd the fight is not over yet! 3rd The PR firm running the campain for the developer lobby should be held accountable for perverting Democracy and will come the change of goverment once the election is held. 4th I for one have worked for the return of the working Harbour and enjoy the noise that comes from it and have for most of my adult life. 5th Newcastle and Wollongong are not suitable for "Deepwater Harbours" Newcastle is very shallow and is limited in cargo handling due to this "fact" Wollongong has no "deep water" port BUT Sydney still has White Bay and Glebe Island empty for over 2 years now as ANL transports container across Australia to WA!!!!!Ever heard of "carbon miles" 6th I for one and those you call NIMBY's have proposed development over the Rozella goods yard some 200 acres or 80 HA.!!!! All these folk writing positive comments will not be voting LABOR due to thier right wing ratbaggery and are hippocrites!! Any one touching the islands in Sydney Harbour are MAD! and are inviting land claims under native title. The conflict is apparent by the actions of this goverment and our current Premire KKK. Bring on the election and stop signing away Sydney for personal gain! IT IS ILLEGAL! And you will be jailed come the cange of goverment in this year....what a cowardly act to suspend Parliment..Talk about out side interests controling NSW!!!Sicking as for the NSW Treasure flying off to his masters in the USA after that middlenight sale of public assetts for a song we will find out who did what when shortly....more on the nose then a New Years bag of Prawn shells left in the sun .....It's sicking.

Nice rant bigfella. In your valiant attempts to portray yourself as the saviour of the "working harbour" you conveniently forget to mention that as Sydney Harbours ports are progressively decommissioned, Port Botanys ports are increased in capacity. Hence the huge infrastructure investment currently underway there. All of us writing positive comments are not ratbags - just becasue we support the barangaroo development does not mean we are hippocrites. You are a hippocrite. In words you write you are pro-development but then oppose every option ever put on the table as the only thing you care for is a working harbour and you will oppose every sane and sensible proposal that does not include your grand scheme.

Not so Billy, I live in Pyrmont and you may of noticed it has been re-developed. Mind I did object to the helicopter port on the Point due to the noise and the expansion of the Casino with 25 new bars, it is the most violent venue in Sydney and it keeps me awake at 4am. Port Botany expansion will take years to complete and according ANL they are having trouble gaining access to this port and Ports of Brisbane, yet are unable to use Glebe Island that has sat empty. Except for the Jipsum whaft at the old wheet silos and a few tourist ships.As far as sane and responcible development Branaroo is not and in the comming year all will be revieled via a Royal Commission...I also opposse Kathine Hill development also just past by KKK. and I also opposse the expansion of Coal minning in the Western Seam due to the damage it is doing to the ground waters and destroying the night sky.

"I also oppose..." Bigfella, you should have that printed on a t-shirt. There's more opposition in your last post than the liberal backbench in Canberra. You are a nuisance - So much time to oppose every development this side of Bourke.

Hey, Toxic Head, even Clean Up Australia has come to realise that your selfish campaign is all about protecting your views so that no one else can enjoy the harbour. They have seen what Lend Lease is going to do about the waste and are satisfied that it meets their requirements. But you nimbys will keep using the toxic waste angle, and any other BS angle, to try and protect your wealthy selfish setup.

Ha,ha,ha.LOL.good one Billy, spoken like a true Australian. but it also seem's you have a lot of time on your hands to support all these enviromently damaging and over developed corrupted processses your self Billy. But I am hurt to be lumped in with the screeching cockatoos of the Liberal Party and the mad monk.LOL. Note 26th Labor member resigned this week and Eric rozzzzzen(What ever) has just been back from USA after visiting the dirty Aussie...now what was that about????? Bring on the Royal Commission.

Note:Federal goverments interest in ports see Sydney Morning Herald Saturday...so why are NSW Goverment selling our Sydney deep water whafts off for building developments when there is a short fall???? Who's getting what???It is not in the long term benifit of Australia...seem the NSW intends to retire OS!

By all means, bring on the royal commission. Take the ALP to the cleaners -do'em like that Canadian political party that went from a majority to 2 seats after an election. You would be kidding yourself if you though O'Barrell wasn't also in the pockets of the developers. But leave Bangas alone. Get on and build the damned thing.

Barry will win one only hopes the greens and independants will hold the balance. Bang in a roo is toxic and will blow through the City like you can't immagine. Now we see they intend to build out right over the roadway and with the open space now reduced to 40% tch fools and thier love of anything big and new, the fools never understand our history or what the future holds..Keating and Lend Lease are already going over the islands in the harbour seeing what picking there are. so the fight goes on.

The fight has been won already by the good guys, the evil nimbys have lost. The toxic waste argument is rubbish. This will be a great development. Bring it on, now!

You guys are wrong again just admit it she has been caught out for a duck she has dropped to 20% she has sent the fed cops out to find me and others to find out who tried to stop her before she gets kicked out and arrested my fight wasn't against the development mine was about the corruption and thanks to people like me she has been found out b4 its to late, take the check book off of her b4 she spends more of our money. i spoke to contractors the site will not be read to start digging yes because the machines are still overseas but the work at the moment is blowing everywhere exposing everyone to toxic waste if you don't believe come to the site

You guys are wrong again just admit it she has been caught out for a duck she has dropped to 20% she has sent the fed cops out to find me and others to find out who tried to stop her before she gets kicked out and arrested my fight wasn't against the development mine was about the corruption and thanks to people like me she has been found out b4 its to late, take the check book off of her b4 she spends more of our money. i spoke to contractors the site will not be read to start digging yes because the machines are still overseas but the work at the moment is blowing everywhere exposing everyone to toxic waste if you don't believe come to the site

i want all the people that don't believe the site is toxic to get a glass of water and put some of the dirt in it and drink it then wait and see who was rite

Hey Tox do you have another tin foil hat I can borrow - the mind control rays are very strong around Bangas.

That's another thing I don't get...why aren't Pyrmont and Balmain deserted wastelands, with the houses at knockdown prices? All that toxic waste should have driven them from their harbour view homes by now!

Well the facts are both have toxic waste and some very naste ones at that yet these were dealt with in safe way and water was constant around the sites of the old power stations. One in Balmain near the Iron Cove Bridge one in Pyrmont now the Star City Casino...all was tickboo and the process open and had heaps of imput from my community and the Balmain communities the difference with this is no spray dust floating in the air and spreading If you dont believe me come to the Land and enviroment court tomorrow 12B and hear for your self what the toxic legacy is! Thats why the prices are high the numbats moving in don't even know about the past!

Premier Kristina Keneally has ordered the destruction of thousands of what are being described as potentially sensitive government documents. "I expect all public servants, be they in the bureaucracy or government advisers, to be following that direction," Ms Keneally told the ABC Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/gre... Arrest her

It appears that the lights are on all night long @ Maquarie Tower! How much they have to hid, how many incriminating bits of paper will they leave, deleting hard drives...wonder if they know they can also be charge as an excessory to the fact...the Nuranberg defence wont work..."I was just following orders" and the Yank offers us the USA style anti-mathia laws.....says it all Vote Independent or Green....the LIBERALS are just as corrupt! I will predict the biggest informal vote ever! For those who have an interest view the planning dept web site "APPROVALS" and bet Craig works for Lend Lease when booted out!

Between Toxic Waste and Bigfella, they would have us believe that this issue is of paramount national and international importance with espionage and national security at risk. The way they go about whipping up hysteria about shredding documents and covert middle of the night shenanagans you would think this is a plot from a James Bond film. Typical nimby hysterical reaction to what in reality is a development site in the heart of the city. Some perspective wouldn't go astray.

what 'perspective' would you suggest, Billy? It's standard & not uncommon for those leaving high office to shred data - sure - but inform us of your defence of the pro-development dealing here. And see, just for a change, if you can state your obviously unbiased view without using the term 'Nimby'. You ought to be able to do better than that. I live nowhere near Barangaroo, it certainly isn't in my backyard, so please ... add some perspective to your own argument.

Hay Billy I'm wiping up some hysterical reaction tomorrow why dont you come alone 11am Bangaroo you may get some ideas. PROTEST TUESDAY (TOMORROW) AT BANGAROO SOUTH ALL WELCOME 11AM.ONWARDS.HEAR WHAT THE OBJECTIONS ARE AND WHY!

i am going to be there too, are theses people mental ? why would you be shredding paper work if you have nothing to hide?what a bunch of idiots!

Hardly anyone turned out to this today. Just goes to show it really is only wealthy people trying to protect their views. Totally self-interest and all other reasons are just excuses. No one gives a sh.. !!! Check it out - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.p...

yes, kinda had when I (& I suspect many others) work nowhere near the site. It is a disappointing turnout - notwithstanding the general consensus that nothing will stop this rotten development. Developers are too cunning these days & know how to drum out their (potentially) strongest opponents.

Oh I dont know about a low turn out given that it is a tuesday I thought a turn out of over 500 was not to bad and we got all parties to come along except LABOR which no-one cares will not be voting for any way Hay Billy didnt see you there but Toxic Waste was there.

wow, what a turn out it was a lovely day to be out in the sun enjoying everyones company! Thank you guys, i had lots of fun, meeting new people and meeting people who care about where they live and whats going on in the city ,As for the guy above the reason for a protest is to motivate people to think of whats happening in the world, i saw you running around like a chicken with his head cut off,i was waiting for you to get close to me, but as a guy with no hart or thought you hide behind poles and trees, that shows the kind of guy you are,I know what you look like, i even took photos of you, as you did i will share your photo to everyone so we can all look out for you at or next get together and give you a big hug and kiss and show you some love,Oh and we are trying to save the trees you are hiding by,And thanks again for turning up, xOxOX

I would like to thank , aka (NO ONE CARES) for posting your photos of us, you took some nice photos of the event, If you would like a photo of you hiding behind a tree and the other side of the street contact me i have already pasted on your photo to the people who care about Barangaroo, I noticed you never smile maybe you should try some more fibre in your diet ?

500? BS!! Looking at the photos posted in the link by "No one cares!" I'd say there wouldn't even have been 100 people there. Considering most of those are self-interest groups, and no doubt quite a few "observers", it just goes to show that it is true that no one cares. It's all over. Too bad!

over? Brad Hazzard has now become very interested in this. Could be a burst of electioneering, now that KK has shredded evidence including his name. But, I'll believe it when I see it ... and how are people expected to find free time to get into town & support the anti-Barangaroo'ers on a weekday, with seldom little publicity? People will not stop fighting ...

After being Cyber attacked I would not click on any site posted by Lend Lease supporters! Seems you discount folks there as "observers" dont go sheep or catle counting you'll be under by a mile! It is not over and with the election in under 12 days the outcome is not assured VOTING LABOR ARE YOU??? Didnt think so and most of thier voters will go to Greens and Independance who have a will to CLEAN UP NSW. The Liberals wont hold the upper House and loads of horse trading will take place and Bangaroo will be top of the list as will coal mining or gas! IT NOT OVER BY A COUNTRY MILE YET!!!Get over it we will fight on for the kids and the future generations not having to clean up this mess!

You are JOKING if you think Libs will horsetrade Bangas away for something else. Do you really think LL would not have donated heavily, lobbied heavily to the Libs??? What's wrong with the SSC forum by the way???

... the Greens will be key to this ... Just like their bubbling action regarding Coal Seam Gas drilling - they don't call themselves Greens for no reason. Looking forward to it, too

Jimbo here is my objective independent assessment: 1. This development is in the centre of a city that already has buildings taller than those proposed. There are no height breaking towers or even any towers reaching height limit. 2. The precinct is being planned with a wide array of PT options available Ferry, Train, Light Rail, Bus. 3. The proposal is widely accessible to the majority of Sydney 4. The proposal goes a way to address the future needs of increasing commercial capacity in the CBD and for wider Sydney. 5. The proposal in entirety is over 50% parklands and open space. I did that without the mention of the N word

Congratulations Billy ... but I still don't understand who will be going there? Admirers of great architecture? And of course, you don't mention the car parking, & KK's husband's investments in it. Now, if only you'll make mention of how developing a hideously toxic site, on the banks of the country's most famous waterway, is permitted? I'd like to see a definition of 'widely accessible' - and the 50% of parkland is fine ... it's the other 50% that people are objecting to. And it also defies greater town planning opinion of perhaps de-centralising commerce in sydney. And why is it that people cannot mention this without automatically being coined an 'N' ...

Hello hacker! So you think its Ok to wipe out my posting do you we see about that! Billy after you take out roads, waterways,foot paths,concrete plazas inbetween buildings IE alleyways you end up with 28% open space. not 50% as you cant play footy on the road nor ride your bike on the footpath unless you are JC you cant walk on water and no these are not for swimming. Do some research old boy as for hieght I refer you to The City of Sydney website for why the City objects to tthis development and have you note the document was done by the Cities planning deptment all experts in thier field...but dont let facts get in the road now will you Billy....I refer you to Dept Planning web site for more Dirty deads by this Goverment....Vote Independant or Green!

NSW Labor incompetence and dishonesty continues without a care in world. Lakemba ALP MP Robert Furolo not identified as a Labor candidate in his banners, an omission he blames on a printing error. http://bit.ly/emA1FO The FAILURES of this man are unbelievable and Keneallys acceptance of this is a disgrace.

Jimbo, the people going there are workers. Workers who create productivity for this city and nation and generate tax revenues. There will be also be tourists i suspect and residents as well of the area. RE: KK and her hubby, I wouldn't be happy about that BUT regardless i think the proposal is a good one. RE: hideous toxic site - hideously toxic sites can be rehabilitated and have been in the past think Homebush bay, Newington and Rhodes, where thousands of people now live. Widely accessible - I can take a train to Wynyard and short walk be at Barangaroo, I can take a ferry and alight right at Barangaroo, I can take the planned Light Rail down Hickson Rd from George Street and alight at Barangaroo. Decentralisation of commerce in Sydney HAS been occurring for more than 25 years hence the evolving commercial and high denisty residential markets of Chatswood, St Leonards, Burwood, Macquarie Park, North Ryde, Parramatta, Husrtville, Strathfield, Sydney Olympic Park and Ryde. It should be noted that decentralisation is not the only answer and that a continuous evolution of the city core still should happen otherwise it remains stagnant and then becomes less relevant and obsolete.

Not a very clever move hacker now they will be comming for you again! Decentralisation??Chatswood, Burwood, etc is due to the fact that finance no longer places all thier eggs in one basket after the cut off in 1980-90 of electricity and data links...As for toxic site rehabilitation you would then be aware of the toxic run off into Homebush Bay and the on going problems of toxic leaching into Homebush creek! A ticking time bomb that we will not know about for some years to come.....it is criminal to house people (Most of whom come from Asia and english is not thier first tounge thus unable to be aware of the Toxic history of thier homes...read Ryde Councils objections to these sites That is why the NSW Labor Goverment used part 3a to push them through....and who pays for this thats right mug NSW tax payers while the children die and the adults get cancer!!!Good one Billy great excemples of the criminial behaviour of this Goverment and why they must go!!!!!!!!

Billy, you have a detailed answer for everything re development of the cbd, & try to justify it ... yet when it comes to the topic of this page re KK & appropriate isues for her to take ministerial control of, you brush it thus ' 'RE: KK and her hubby, I wouldn't be happy about that ..' Decentralising commercial sydney development has been lousy. And I wonder whether people in regional NSW would accept your master plan. Newcastle, Wollongong, Bathurst etc would bleed from the ears for 'world class' residential/commercial development ... with or without a wanky hotel.

In passing Bathurst had a world class Hotel which went into recievership shortly aftter being built on Mt Pannarama last I heard of it it was being offered for sale as a private school or religous retreat...including the 3 pools and gyms another part 3a cock up! But I agree decentralisation is out side the Sydney basin and more then New Castle and Woollongong they also have big part 3a cock ups and New Castle was a Lend Lease project. Newcastle is left with a derilict CBD and closed buisnesses but hay Billy don't let it worry you KKK is in charge of it all for the next week. Vote John Hattons Independants in the Upper House for honest politicians (John got his house sprayed with machine gun bullets after he started on the Royal Commission into our bent cops way back in the 1990 he has the runs on the board and is only returning to clean out the stench of corruption from the Parliment of NSW.)

In passing Bathurst had a world class Hotel which went into recievership shortly aftter being built on Mt Pannarama last I heard of it it was being offered for sale as a private school or religous retreat...including the 3 pools and gyms another part 3a cock up! But I agree decentralisation is out side the Sydney basin and more then New Castle and Woollongong they also have big part 3a cock ups and New Castle was a Lend Lease project. Newcastle is left with a derilict CBD and closed buisnesses but hay Billy don't let it worry you KKK is in charge of it all for the next week. Vote John Hattons Independants in the Upper House for honest politicians (John got his house sprayed with machine gun bullets after he started on the Royal Commission into our bent cops way back in the 1990 he has the runs on the board and is only returning to clean out the stench of corruption from the Parliment of NSW.)

hey big fella are you going to the protest tomorrow night,? i got fired from another job ,because some one from ports saw me at the protest dirty tricks for a dirt toxic site

hey big fella are you going to the protest tomorrow night,? i got fired from another job ,because some one from ports saw me at the protest dirty tricks for a dirt toxic site

Jimbo - I dont brush off issues with KK and her hubby. I believe the anti-development lobby is using it as an excuse to justify their own desire to kill off any development at Barangaroo and therefore fanning the flames of corruption, toxic waste or whatever other reason they can grasp onto to push their own agenda of "no development fullstop". Decentralising Commercial Sydney has been way more successful than any other decentralisation plans of any other major Australian city. We have major commercial nodes outside of the core CBD within the greater metropolitan area where tens of thousands of white collar jobs have been created. Chatswood = 22000 jobs, St Leonards = 25000 jobs, North Ryde = 80000 jobs, Parramatta = 60000 jobs.

Billy billy trying to wind people up again? we tried to warn you in the beginning and now all of you lose , I was the one! Who discovered the toxic waste at Barangaroo i am not part of any group or any major plan , We only tell the truth about Barangaroo, And it was told long ago in the History of life ,The truth shall set you free, Thats why we cant get defeated because we tell the truth ,

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