Dangerous cycling on Sydney bike networks say residents

Dangerous cycling on Sydney bike networks say residents

Dangerous cycling on Sydney bike networks say residents

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by Nichols Street
09/07/2010

Cyclists speed and pedestrians near-death experiences are turning our Sydney city footpaths & intersections into war zones as more cyclists commute.

A recent survey of 443 cyclists at 45 Sydney city intersections found cyclists illegally ride on footpaths, they dangerously wind in and out of pedestrians and they speed.

Its a highly dangerous public space for pedestrians. They dont obey road rules.

Sydney City Council needs to install speed bumps to slow down cyclists on footpaths & shared zones. To stop them rampaging, says Nichols Street Community Group spokesperson Brian Noad

In NSW its illegal for an adult cyclists to ride on a footpath, except in the case of shared cycle pedestrians zones. Or, if adults are supervising a rider under 12 years old.

Sydney City Councils rapidly expanding shared cyclist pedestrian zones all part of the new cyclepaths are generally not capable of accommodating both cyclists and pedestrians. Our footpaths are too narrow, forcing cyclists too close to pedestrians which is scary and dangerous.

Under Sydney City Councils policy, footpaths are becoming smokers refuges and outdoor eating areas with tables and chairs in front hotels, restaurants and café. All further narrowing our footpaths.

Sydney city has bad spots at very busy intersections.

There are some shockers out there:

• The corner of Park & Elizabeth Streets is dangerous for cyclists illegally riding on the footpath. Its also the worst for cyclists running red lights. When cyclists ignore red lights, they cross in front of pedestrians who have the green light. About half of cyclists at peak hour pay no attention to red lights.

• Pyrmont Bridge east exit and Sussex St cyclists push pedestrians off the footpath as they enter the King St separated cycleway. 185 cyclists were observed riding dangerously on the bridge.

• Intersections cyclists illegally & dangerously rode on footpaths were: Martin Place & Elizabeth Sts, Clarence & Margaret Sts, Alfred & George Sts, Martin Place & George St, Chifley Sq & Bent St, just to mention a few.

I keep away from cycle pedestrians zones. Walkers are at great risk of significant injury said a pedestrian.

You cant have it both ways. The neighborhood is saying I hate those cyclists; they have no care for the pedestrians at all says Brian Noad.

There are a variety of steps that can be taken to improve pedestrian safety and reduce dangerous cycling: • Police should do audits of rogue cycling. Then put in plans to control it.• Increased Police surveillance & give fines and driving demerit points if cyclists have a drivers licence. Police are too soft of rogue cyclists.• Cycles need to be registered,cyclists pay registration fees, and fix a registration decal to their cycle. Its common practice in Europe & brings Sydney City in line with world’s best practice. • A review needs to be made shared cyclist pedestrian zones.• Petitions to Sydney City Council to remove shared cycle pedestrian zones• City Council needs to install speed bumps and humps for cyclists on footpaths & shared zones. To stop them rampaging. It’s a radical step to combat dangerous cyclists and make it safer for walkers in the CBD.

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Roger posts

Worrying about the danger of people on bikes is ridiculous - how many pedestrians are killed and injured by cyclists, compared to the amount killed and injured by motorists? Honestly, cyclists and pedestrians should be together on this - the danger we face is from cars, not from each other.

s posts

"Cycles need to be registered,cyclists pay registration fees, and fix a registration decal to their cycle. Its common practice in Europe & brings Sydney City in line with world’s best practice" Please cite countries/cities where this is common practice? Research would suggest that it is not common practice.

TwoLegs posts

Article conflates clearly illegal behaviour, and legal behaviour. Running red lights and riding on the footpath is illegal and riders should be prosecuted. Riding on shared paths are legal. Overcrowding a shared path is a fantastic problem to have — think about it. It means that people are getting around outside of motor vehicles. Solution is not to discourage cycling, but to build wider paths and bicycle-specific paths; I’m glad that Brian Noad will support bicycle riders on that. Thanks. And for one thing, Brian should try riding a bicycle; he will quickly realise that speed bumps on a footpath (why? it’s illegal for adult bicycle riders to ride there) & on shared paths will inconvenience pedestrians more than bicycle riders.

Llewster posts

Im with TwoLegs - we should be praising the fact that the footpaths/cycleways/sharepaths are full - it means less people are using cars which is what we want - its what this city is planning for right now - a sustainable city - where we make the city for pedestrians and cyclists instead of cars. The answer is to get rid of lanes off cars and widen the footpath and make a cycleway. Mall George St. Take a lane off the expressway that links into King St and widen the path. The problem with cyclists using Martin Place is that they can't go West on King St - the King St cycleway needs to be extended to Macquarie St.

TwoLegs posts

Bicycle registration fees is common practice on Planet NIchols & Planet Noad.

Henry posts

What this story needs, more than anything, is QUOTATION MARKS and APOSTROPHES. It's impossible to know what is the reporter's opinion and what is reported speech. It smacks of sloppiness. Which is what characterises this report.

floss posts

Registration of bicycles if far from common place. Cyclists riding responsibly on pavements should be tolerated as long as the road rules, cycling infrastructure and driver attitudes keep making pavements the safer option for cyclists. As a car driver I drive though many places where I am forced to drive uncomfortably close to cyclists, and I see a lot of aggression towards cyclists from drivers, who seem to think that just because talkback radio and tabloid media whip out anti-cyclist stories on slow news days, it's ok to scare cyclists a little with two tons of moving metal. Cell phone holding wobbly drivers bother me much more than cyclists, as to people queuing their cars across intersections in peak hour.

Yes cyclists should be banned from footpaths & made to pay registration & in doing so, a full lane of roadway on every major road should be made available for them to ride on exclusively. At the same time, let's tattoo number plates on pedestrians wrists so they can be identified as such & fined when they jay walk, cross against the lights, walk with their ears full of earphones & walk on the wrong side of the footpath. Oh hang on, we all walk at some time, so everyone gets a tattoo. In this modern age let's make it a microchip & give all government officials a scanner or maybe automatic scanners attached to lasers & just eliminate the lawbreakers on the spot. Wake up you idiots. The problem with Sydney's traffic is caused by single occupant cars, not single occupant bicycles. The sooner petrol reaches a price that reflects the true price of the damage that motor vehciles are causing to our planet the better. Bring on $3 to $5-00 a litre & watch the change in the driving patterns across Australia. Watch the drop in obesity levels, heart attacks, diabetes, fatal accidentsd & serious injuries & watch the increase in public transport usage, multiple occupant cars, bicycles & pedestrians. A fitter,healthier safer Australia. Now where is the Political Party with the guts to do it?

Warren posts

No-where in the world do cyclist have to pay registration. it is not common practice for the good reason it would be much too expensive and impractical to implement. Not unlike registering pedestrians. This is the usual nonsense argument used by those who would like to see bicyles off the roads.

Stuart posts

Many of the problems on shared paths are caused by pedestrians, not cyclists. Pedestrians change course without looking, stop without looking, often have a iPod in place so they can't hear any warnings. pedestrians also j-walk all the time in the city, expecting both cyclists and cars to slow, swerve or stop completely so they can illegally cross the road. Pedestrians are a huge problem in the CBD - there should be more separated paths off road to allow cyclists to keep away from these crazy walkers who have no regard for other traffic, be it on foot, two wheels or four.

name posts

sshhh...the city is for people, not cars. I wait where road will be turned in to more walk/cycle ways. Then you will start bit.ching more

SteveBr posts

Why do you publish such trash from this serial pest. OK, we know Nichols doesn't like bikes, but do we need it regularly shoved down our throats. How about some balanced reports instead of this guff.

Hi Steve, Just thought I should jump in here and let you know that StreetCorner is designed as a platform for all locals to 'be the reporter', to share their stories and news with others. We don't 'choose' who appears on Streetcorner, it is entirely driven by you ie the community. Locals can post stories on Streetcorner as often as they like. In the left hand column are stories written by Streetcorner, on the right are stories from the community. You are welcome to post your own stories on Streetcorner if you like. Just login and then you can post a story. It will then appear in "The Street" section. Streetcorner has written a number of stories on the cycleway issue and we always aim to be balanced in our reporting. Don't hesitate to let us know if you think we haven't been. Kind regards, Streetcorner YOUR voice in the community

SteveBr posts

Hi StreetCorner. Maybe the editor should take some responsibility for ensuring "reporters" report rather than publish a rant. This article is an example of a rant. Where are the sources for the data quoted. I work near Park and Elizabeth and walk, ride and drive past that intersection most days. My experience is taxis and trucks pose more danger to pedestrians than bikes. For the record, I don't want dedicated bike facilities either. I want safer roads without neanderthal drivers trying to "own" the road. Dedicated bike facilities end up being pramways (Gore Hill Freeway cycle path) and car parks (Herbert St, St Leonards)

Nicholas this is sensationalist rubbish and you know it. You needed to write an article to fill a space, and you thought to yourself .. what would cause a bit of a sensation? Oh yes. Cyclist bashing! Everyone will join in with me and I'll get lots of hater email and lots of protests from cyclists!! You know the article is poorly researched, sounds like it was written on the back of your napkin in a pub, and is not helpful to either cyclists OR pedestrians. I live in an area where shared paths are commonplace and use them as a cyclist AND a pedestrian. In my experience we have more to fear from motorists and half baked journalists called Nicholas.

NSW road rules is behind the times, it makes much more sense to mix slower moving cylcists with pedestrians than it does to mix motor vehicles with cyclists. Teenage and Adult Cycling on the footpath is now legal in Queensland, Northern Territory, the ACT and Tasmania. Japan has also proven that allowing cyclists to ride on the footpath works in even the most densely populated of cities. Legalise cycling on the footpath and drop the cbd and backstreet speed limit to 30kph so that the cyclists who want to go faster can do so on the road without motor vehicles putting their lives and safety at risk.

S falsely mentioned that registration is common practice in Europe which is wrong, but what is common practice in Europe is a Vulnerable road users legislation that is weight based. Vulnerable road users legislation bases right of way around the least most dangerous vehicles on the road. Cyclists have right of way over motor vehicles. Pedestrians have right of way over cyclists and motorists. "Worlds best practice"

Cyclists who want to travel at speed need to be on the road. That being said considering Sydneys current traffic environment the safest place to cycle is on the footpath. Cyclists need to be catered for on our roads, we need more cycleways on main roads and lower speed limits within the cbd.

Pedo posts

I have had too many near misses with cyclists at Pyrmont Bridge, anything that can be done to make cyclists pedestrian friendly, is welcome. Seems the survey showed, what everone knows, cyclists dont obey road rules and they run red lights

AngryWalker posts

Cyclists need to slow down on the footpaths in Surry Hills

Angry Walker, Pedestrians need to remove earphones & mobile phones from their ears, walk in an orderly fashion & open their eyes &look before they suddenly change direction and walk across a footpath or just stop. A bell is useless, because they don't hear it. I am from the country & I would rather ride through a mob of 100 cattle than encounter some of the pedestrians that inhabit Sydney either on footpaths or shared pathways.If you see a bicycle logo on a path, wouldn't you expect there might be a bicycle along at some time? There are some roads in Sydney that are just too dangerous for cyclists to ride on, thus forcing us onto footpaths for periods of time. We would rather not have to take to the footpath, but at times there is no other choice.A little courtesy ( on both sides I will concede) would make a lot of difference.

Safer posts

Courier cyclists are also seriously bad, try dodging them in Martin Place!They ride on footpaths then the road to gain speed.

Just to clarify 9 out of 10 pedestrian/cyclist collisions occur on road (due to j-walking) part of the other 10% of pedestrian/cyclist collisions occur on shared zones where road rule 236 applies "Pedestrians not to cause a traffic hazard or obstruction (1) A pedestrian must not cause a traffic hazard by moving into the path of a vehicle. Offence provision. (2) A pedestrian must not unreasonably obstruct the path of any vehicle or another pedestrian. Offence provision. (3) For subrule (2), a pedestrian does not unreasonably obstruct the path of another pedestrian only by travelling more slowly than other pedestrians." Although statistics prove that j-walkers are a greater threat to cyclist safety than cyclists are to pedestrian safety we must keep in mind that cyclists and pedestrians share common ground in Sydney being that both pedestrians and cyclists aren't catered for. Thats why pedestrians have to wait for extended periods of time just to legaly cross a road and thats why j-walking is rife in our city. The worldwide trend is the better the pedestrian and cycling infrastructure, the better people behave. The RTA needs to start catering for pedestrians and cyclists.

Pedestrian posts

In case you missed recent Ten news item,it sums up dangerous cycling in city centre: Its on Youtube clip at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgrf_MWN6...

Wow Nice story, no wonder tax and ratepaying cyclists flout the road rules in New South Wales. Its battle to get even the smallest amount of cycling infrastructure introduced "TAXPAYING CYCLISTS TAKING TAKES PAYERS MONEY? THATS OUTRAGEOUS. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT TAXPAYERS TAXES ACTUALLY GO TOWARDS SOMETHING" Vaia Pappas lied to me, she said she's a "cyclist." Clearly she's not. Meanwhile channel news forgot to mention that Australian cyclists are responsible for killing only 0.4 pedestrians a year; in comparison to the 1700 or so pedestrians killed by motor vehicles yearly 0.4 deaths seems very miniscule doesn't it? Glad that unused cycleway isn't finished yet otherwise the j-walking reporter might have hurt himself.

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taxpayer posts

Stupid Clover and her girlfriend Keneally are just after votes. Cyclists can do anything and get away with it as they know Clover and Co will not support them being registered so there is no way they can be traced. In other words they support crime.

Why are all our cyclist friends,trying to shoot the messenger? Nichols Street is just reporting what neighbours think and obviously their statements are a mixture of good, bad and inconsistent. But hell, so are those put out by the CoS! Why can't we all just work together to push for something sensible like making Bourke Street one way for cars with a bike contraflow as Llewster suggests, or a bike boulevarde like most of the residents want?

ResidentBourke st has no right to represent me as a surry hills resident and either does "Nichols (False name) Street." I and most surry hills residents i speak to are proud supporters of the City Of Sydneys balanced pedestrian/cycling/motorists infastructure approach. Tax and rate paying cyclists have not been catered for over the last few decades and it is time to restore a healthy balance before Sydneys transport crisis gets worse. Crown street should be transformed into a people friendly boulevard immediately after completion of the Bourke street cycleway. Tax and rate paying pedestrians and cyclists must be adequately catered for.

vaia posts

Hi Takecareoutthere, I am sorry if you didnt understand my PLAIN ENGLISH.... Actually I do cycle and will be participating in the Sydney to Gong. Tell me, do you have a business? You have completely missed the point.

Hello Vaia, oh sorry didn't realise you ride a bike once a year. Your clearly an admirable pro-cycling/pro pedestrian/pro motorist person thats capable of getting around the block without the use of an automobile. Yes i do own a business thanks for asking, and i'd definitely rather have two extra lanes of human powered traffic passing my business than having one lane blocked by unoccupied motor vehicles. Especially if i was a day spa. Speaking of which why can't i buy your products online? Don't you want any business?

noted posts

Extract Wentworth Courier (on line) says: lawyers representing businesses in Alexandria will launch a class action demanding that the Bourke Rd cycleway is “ripped up” and relocated. John Mahony from Mahony Dominic Lawyers said his firm had prepared a brief which would be served by the end of the week. Mr Mahony said the council was “already ripping up the city” to build $76 million of cycling infrastructure. “It’s a fairly urgent matter because we believe we have a strong enough case to stop further cycleways being built,” he said. “Our main focus is Bourke Rd…. relocating that cycleway should be easier than in other areas because of the Alexandria Canal - the alternative is there and it’s raring and ready to go.” Mr Mahony said the lawsuit was based on evidence that the council had not taken into account all environmental factors when deciding to build the cycleway. He said the cycleway was unsafe and had a negative effect on “businesses, people, amenity, parking and the environment”. A spokeswoman for Sydney Council said the council was not aware of any lawsuit relating to the Bourke Rd cycleway and therefore could not comment. Surry Hills resident Brian Noad said that if the Bourke Rd lawsuit was successful, businesses and residents affected by the Bourke St cycleway would follow suit and launch their own legal action against the council. Mr Mahony agreed, saying: “What’s good for Bourke Rd is good for the rest of the city.” Mr Noad said the threat of class action had prompted “more and more aggro” between opponents and supporters of the Bourke St and Bourke Rd cycleways. “The problem is that most of the cyclists complaining about the class action don’t even cycle on Bourke Rd,” Mr Noad said. “Hardly any cyclists use it.”

Good luck re:the class action. Hopefully if you haters win you can spend the rest of your lives complaining about Sydneys traffic, The price of petrol, The odd cyclist and how you still struggle to find car parking in peace.

I am the owner of a business in Bourke St and my takings are down at the very least $1000 per day!!! Not counting the amount of parking fines since the cycleworks that is the poorest of designs. Parking inspectors are like seagulls lately because they know there is nowhere to park. My suppliers now can't even get to me because of the ill conceived one way system but worse still, my customers can't be bothered driving down William St which is now the ONLY way to get to by business. City Council is greedy to be seen as 'GREEN" and what they have done quite frankly is causing much more carbon and resentment in the community forever more. I now HATE going to work because I know that each day I get out of bed, and as long as my business is on that cycle way, it is another day that is eating away at my savings account. The day Clover Moore announces to the community that the Cycle way is now finally finished, so too will business will be finished with- thanks for nothing Clover! I've worked really hard to get to where I got to and you have taken it all away!

David G posts

What a load of croc! What a storm in a tea cup these people from nichols street are trying to create. Sure a few cyclists flaunt the law - but lets face it there just arent that many full stop yet for this to be an urgent issue. And most cyclists obey the road rules. The main reason cyclists break road rules is for safety - sometimes its safer to leave the road when cars and trucks are hurtling at dangerous speeds far too close to you. Just yesterday a car ran through a red light in front of me and another cut me off on my bike after getting indignant that i was (legally) using a whole lane. They are breaking the law too - as do people in cars every day. People break laws - and police enforce them - that happens with bikes and cars already. There is no issue - the people of nichols street are simply anti bike and have an agenda that is clearly biased.

nomoore posts

Dangerous shared cycle/pedestrians paths are to be installed at cnr College/Liverpool/Park Sts & Prince Alfred place . Cyclists speed & run peds off the paths.There will be fatalities

thanks for that no more. Australia wide 0.4 pedestrian fatalaties that involve cyclists a year to be exact. (over 90% of them on road) This debate is about business and parking spaces. stop discrediting the people you are trying to represent by attempting to label cyclists as dangerous. Motor vehicles are the problem with street safety and your unbalanced motorist mentality is not welcome on our footpaths.

Ped posts

The fact is cyclists run red lights it front of peds who have the green They are need to obey the law

David G posts

To the bourke street businessman i empathise with your situation in regards to short term lloss of business due to the roadworks however this is what happens WHENEVER road works occur in front of businesses. Living in Darlinghurst at the time i used to speak regularly to shop owners on William STreet when the Cross City Tunnel project was underway (now THERE'S a gov project to get upset about! Where were the concerned people of the Nichols Street group then!?). That took years and they suffered similar losses of business, as have the guys outside the Jewish Museum on Darlinghurst Road - a project that was for the benefit of very few (the museum itself) yet causes a significant loss of business to a number of businesses. This is an unfortunate but unavoidable result of urban development and improvement. And while i sympathise with your plight bourkestbusinessman i think you will find that while the outcome for you is not uncommon while roadworks is occurring, the business benefits of a vibrant, active attractive street with MORE people using it (in time) will actually help your business. Best of luck and i for one will drop by on my bike to support you and other Bourke street businesses once ist safe to cycle through. Here's to a bright future when you'll have more custom (on clean, safe transport) not less. Until then i do hope the road works doesnt get slowed down by the anti-bike anti-cimmunity brigade, the sooner they are done and the networks of paths connected the better for all, including the businesses of bourke street.

Safe Cyclist posts

Whilst I agree with just about everything that David G has written about roadworks, it is not correct to think that Clover Moore's dangerous bike paths on Bourke Street will provide "safe transport". They are riddled with unsafe intersections with driveways and cross-streets. Take a look at the Copenhagen cycleway design rules or just Google for overseas studies of "cycle path safety" and see for yourself how Sydney Council's amateurish scheme is inevitably going to injure and kill cyclists and pedestrians.

David G posts

Safe Cyclist - i agree they could be better, but look at the rabid anti-bike, anti-progress anti-environment mob that has mobilised with the minimal amount of work the council has proposed and undertaken so far! Were struggling to move some of our fellow citizens (an absolute vocal minority i must stress!) from outdated thinking about mobility and transport as it is. If we created a Copenhagen style cycle system from day one the poor folks at the Nichol Street anti-bike brigade would have had hernias! Its best perhaps to see this as the first stage in a long (hopefully speedy) transition from a car(bon) addicted culture to one that understands that a mixed mobility solution to transport that is based on low carbon options such as bicycles and public transport with only a minimum of car use (especially in the cities!) to supplement these is the best mix. But yes i agree - make them safer, better, more extensive but realistically this will need to happen over time as people become more accepting and enlightened. Sadly as this website attests we have a long way to go there. I must say though that I dont quite understand this fear of death by bicycle - when traveling in shared lanes or where people are walking (cyclists regularly walk btw so there isnt the same lack of empathy that some drivers have for cyclists) cyclists can and do slow down. Its common sense - and a collision with a slow to medium speed bike is not likely to cause death i would wager. The same cannot be said for our number one (transport) killer in Australia each year, the car.

Safe Cyclist posts

I'm not sure what David G means by a "minimal amount of work" and "low carbon". Sydney Council have turned Bourke Street into a nightmare for residents and businesses, and are spending a fortune on concrete and bulldozers. The contract for the section from Devonshire Street to Taylor Square, about one kilometer, is $9.5 million. All this to create a "pretend cycleway" which fails all European safety guidelines. Sorry, David, but I have ridden around Redfern and Surry Hills for over 10 years without problems and believe that this is just a dangerous political stunt by Clover Moore to steal votes from the Greens.

notasaferide posts

The new Cleveland St shared cycleway (between Sth Dowling & Anzac Pde) has a generous 3.5 meters wide path, each side or 7.0 meters in all. Bourke St cycleway is very narrow by comparison, only 1.2 meters each way or 2.4 meters both ways. That plus the 43 intersections make it a very dangerous ride. I agree with Safe Cyclist this is just a dangerous political stunt by Clover Moore to steal votes from the Greens.

David G posts

to answer your questions Safe cyclist: I'm not sure what David G means by a "minimal amount of work" - what i mean is we havent exactly installed the kind of city wide cycling network we should have as of yet. And compared t the ridiculous cross city tunnel the work doe on cycleways is a drop in the ocean (in fact compared to other road works generally which only widen roads so more cars can get on them to create ever more congestion - studies back this up btw - its minuscule public works) low carbon refers to the MASSIVE reduction in carbon - ie. CO2 that will result from the laneways as we reduce the nbr of car trips and increase the nbr of bicycle trips in the city. The embedded Co2 i presume you're referring to is of course real and occurs whenever we create anything (even these comment posts!) but given the amount of roadworks and general development going on the cycle ways are truly a great investment in lowering our carbon footprint. And really we need to add cycle ways everywhere - so whether bourke street is the ideal cycle way or not its a start - and it shouldnt be seen as instead of others but the precursor to many more. Ultimately we can all look forward to a day where bikes and cars have equal roles to play in a safe city with (well we can dream!) a great public transport system as well. btw i ve ridden around Sydney for 15 years also and have had a mostly accident free run - though plenty of near misses caused by drivers not seeing me or being too aggressive and the occasional decision i wish i hadnt made (we all make mistakes which is why cycle ways are so important). Ultimately the studies are conclusive that despite safe cyclists fantastic experience with safe riding most women and many men (and zero children!) do not ride on Sydney streets because of safety concerns.

Cleveland St cycleway opens. At last, a sensibly designed and located cycleway that is worthy of its name! And all for a tiny fraction of the price per kilometer of the dangerous "pretend cycleway" making life miserable for everyone using Bourke Street. Congratulations to Steve Corbett and to everybody else involved in building the Cleveland Street Cycleway.

bettylee posts

Bi-directional cycleways may be less dangerous when the direction of the parked cars faces the oncoming cyclists because they can see them coming (hopefully). If a passenger opens their door anyway, the cyclist will, at worst, hit a door that will close on the passenger but leave them relatively unscathed. But cyclists riding in the same direction as the parked vehicle are likely to be hit on the drivers side when they open the door widely into the path of an oncoming cyclist. That door will only open further and then come to a sudden stop when hit by a cyclist in the lane closest to the parked car. Yes bi-directional cycleway have dangers!Comments please

The cycleways have clearly got locals stirred up! Just letting you know that everyone is invited to publish news stories on Streetcorner about cycleways or any other local issues you think people would be interested in. Streetcorner is an open community news platform so all voices are welcome. If you want to "be the reporter" , just login and then go to the "Submit a Story" button (top right) and post your story. It will then appear on the home page. You can write about issues like the cycleways, environment, developments, restaurants or profile interesting local characters. Basically anything you think would interest other locals. Cheers Streetcorner

RedLights posts

Lord Mayor Clover Moore needs to stop cyclists running red lights and cycling dangerously on footpaths (often illegally) . Much of Sydney cyclists' behaviour is really quite dangerous.

Cycleways are the way forward. Its as simple as that, and anyone who has travelled abroad to cycle-friendly cities can attest to how much of a positive impact cycling infrastructure has on health, community and local business. I can understand local residents being upset by losing their silly little precious parking spaces, but this lawsuit is really pissing me & evryone off! Sydney needs to embrace the change! I have no doubt that as time goes on we will discover ways to improve the cycle lanes, and do so in a manner that enhances the beauty and history of the area. We are light-years behind our European counterparts, but there is still hope for us yet. Have some faith Sydney-siders!

allforcycles posts

Cycleways are the way forward. Its as simple as that, and anyone who has travelled abroad to cycle-friendly cities can attest to how much of a positive impact cycling infrastructure has on health, community and local business. I can understand local residents being upset by losing their silly little precious parking spaces, but this lawsuit is really pissing me off! Sydney needs to embrace the change! I have no doubt that as time goes on we will discover ways to improve the cycle lanes, and do so in a manner that enhances the beauty and history of the area. We are light-years behind our European counterparts, but there is still hope for us yet. Have some faith Sydney-siders!

NAYSAYERS posts

Im getting rather tired of hearing naysayers stating that they never see any bikes on Bourke Street. Lets propose that cyclists should start to use this route (regardless of treatment, its a great link from Alexandria and beyond to the city).I think cyclists should try to have a strong positive rallying presence here.I know its a mess right now, but I think if we dont use it well lose it, and it could become to the cycling community what Oxford Street is/was to the gay community.

David G posts

Re: RedLights and her call for Super Clover to stop the odd cyclist disobeying the road rules ... why not ask her to also stop the epidemic of drivers illegally swerving into bus lanes while she's at it? And the thousands of speeding drivers that make Sydney's roads so dangerous for children, cyclists and pedestrians (and other drivers!) - surely Clover can do something about them!? Ohh and all those other people breaking laws - surely she can put an end to that too?! :) The fact is people break laws - in cars, on bikes and when on their own two feet - they also break them when jumping, running and sitting down as it happens. We have laws and police as a means to manage this to a reasonable level. It mostly works pretty well in Australia as the stats will show you, but people still break laws all over the show - a lot. Bicyclists running reds are no different, if they do it and they get caught they will be fined (also their licenses are docked points if they drive also) - that's the system and im not sure even a Super hero Mayor could fix that one.

Update: Bourke St cycleway construction :Bourke St from Woolloomooloo Bay to William is usable ; Problems at entrance to Eastern Distributor, traffic lights needed;Bourke St from William to Taylor Sq still very much a building site with section south of Stanley St not even dug up yet;Bourke St from Taylor Sq to Albion St "finished" but blocked with barriers;Bourke St from Albion to Foveaux Sts is one way northways . Traffic problems entrance to Nichols St. Raised with City of Sydney no solutions, Nichols St now Nichols St raceway, traffic back up somedays to 13-29 Nichols St;Bourke St from Foveaux to Devonshire Sts - some construction, some usable as before but changes from week to week;This in the very much contentious part, the street narrows and removes about 20 on street car spaces Bourke St from Devonshire to Cleveland Sts- cycle path open ;Use Cleveland St to access new Cleveland St Cyclepath (between South Dowling St & Anzac Pde, opened this week). Each lane 3.5m wide, compared with Bourke St 1.2m. The Trust should have designed Bourke St/Rd cycleways; Bourke St from Cleveland to Phillip / Crescent - mess, construction, some oneway some two, some old path usable, otherwise go with traffic southways or footpath northwards or dangerous Crown St much car dooring;Bourke St from Phillip / Crescent to Wyndham (Bourke Rd) - nothing , become a car;Bourke Road from Wyndham to Gardeners Rd- cyclepath; This changes on week by week basis as the construction zones move

cyclist0976 posts

Many cyclists told council about the dangerous entry to tunnel .

Weekend media reports 2GB shock jock Alan Jones may run for City of Sydney Lord Mayor in 2012. The broadcaster has been very critical of Clover Moore Lord Mayor cutting up the city for cycleways & making it dangerous for cars

STREETPARKER posts

I think we do need to consider street parking places for cars, as an environmentalist I would rather they were parked than driving around polluting the atmosphere looking for a parking space. Cyclways need to accomodate car parking on the street.

If Alan Jones does run for mayor he will be raising the stakes not only for himself but the Bourke Street naysayers considerably. If he fails (which is likely to happen). Then the whole war against cycllists and cycling and everything else Clover stood for would be well and truly over. The Bourke St NIMBY's would be shown up as a minority and then life would be expected to Mooch on!

It is a critical issue if nothing is done and the volume of cycling Clover Moore imagines ever would eventuate, could you imagine the danger to pedestrians?! They should be putting in Lightrail so all citizens would benefit, not just cyclists. But she won't be told she is wrong, in her mind it is HER city and she doesn't want cars. Sorry Clover, but our roads aren't large enough for cycleways without chaos happening and it is NOT your city, it is our city so we should have a say.

berengere posts

"Cycles need to be registered,cyclists pay registration fees, and fix a registration decal to their cycle. Its common practice in Europe & brings Sydney City in line with world’s best practice. " common practice in Europe?? please quote?? where?? However, in France, where no rego is required for cyclists, fees are in place - as cyclists must follow road rules at all time! i have seen cyclists getting fined for stopping on a "non-stopping" zone or for riding in the footpath... but maybe the force and the council are too busy to work on the so-called "safety cameras" to actually be in the street and see what's really happening...

Shaya posts

Its very risky being a pedestrian - many are killed by cars and other things. Perhaps pedestrians should be forced to wear helmets and fined if they don't wear them? I think this argument is pedestrian - no more cars , stop the parking spaces and walk you fat Aussies

lycra posts

Why is it that the serious lycra cyclists never have a bell or light on their bikes?

bob453 posts

Surry Hills police seem to be closing in on cyclists not wearing helments.They must help. Yes cyclists dont seem to ring bell when passing pedestrians?

PeterBee posts

Its really dangerous when so many pedal cyclists weave in and out of pedestrains on shared footpaths. They need to slow down

Many cyclists illegally riding are being stopped when seen by Police. This includes not wearing helmets, no bells & running red lights. The fine is $70. As most carry no wallet or ID they have to be taken to a Police Station for identification. As this is time consuming they are let off with a warning.

The reality is cycling friendly cities are world leaders in road safety, all you haters can sit here and whine about how you think your unnocupied automobile has more right to use public space than actual people do, but the reality is your nothing but greedy, self centred and attitudes like yours are whats getting in the way of Sydney being transformed into a liveable city, a city where people that live and work locally can ride to where they need to go without having their safety put at risk by the danger that is automobiles. Nobody wants to live in a congested and hostile city but thats what you haters are fighting to preserve. Admit it, life would be much better without your prejudiced bigotry.

illusions posts

re: offstreetparker Clover Moore certainly enjoys her two publicly-funded carpark spaces. One at Town Hall and the other at Parliament House. The Lord Mayor also has a $50,000 garage at her private residence. Clover isn't exactly a car hater.

An ‘off ramp’ accident on the Bourke Rd bikepath recently left a cyclist with a smashed collar bone, five broken ribs and damaged bike. While City Council may say 'get well soon', their insurance premiums and legal fees are set to rise. Council needs to solve these danger zones and make it a safe bike way.

Bourke Rd was a dangerous road to existing users before the cycleway, now its worse for all road users including the most vulnerable to personal injury, namely cyclists.

workTogether posts

Clover doesn't have a problem with cars , she has a problem with the SERFS (ie: you and me) having cars. She is reducing amenity for existing residents and rate payers and is claiming (on the City of Sydney Homepage) that she is doing the opposite. It's a Clover Antoinette "let them eat my exhaust" situation.

bikesloveyou posts

Why is there so much hate around this issue. We are all people. Let's share and grow up. Why create these issues to get angsty and angry about?

My one and only "crash" in 5 years of commuting by bicycle to the city, has been with a j-walking pedestrian. He crossed despite a red light, then when I tried to avoid him he stepped backwards - BANG! Pedestrians running red crossing lights in the CBD is very, very common. For the record, I hate shared zones. I don't want to be relegated to the status of a pedestrian, I'm a piece of moving traffic and want to be given the infrastructure I deserve (and pay for in taxes and rates - note: rego DOES NOT fund road building, it pays for the RTA).

stan posts

At least now pedestrians know what cyclists face every day on the roads. Funny that, the shoe on the other foot etc etc etc.

Islandboy posts

After the fifth occasion in the last 18 months when I have been hit by marauding cyclists riding illegally on Sydney CBD footpaths (on all occasions they have ridden away without stopping, on two occasions leaving me injured on the footpath, I have had enough, lets declare war on these pests, there are no shared cycleways in the CBD. What part of that do they not understand? Lets reclaim the footpaths of the CBD for the people they belong to, the pedestrians.

Gavin Large posts

Did someone quote Channel 10 news as a some kind of proof that cyclists are evil... ha ha, what next Today Tonight? Silly article

berengere posts

Seriously, what is your problem you cyclists on Anzac parade? are you too good to use the cycling path when provided? does wearing those stupid lycra shirts make you feel you are in some kind of Tour de France? while it is obvious there are some serious issues with the 4 wheelers, the 2 wheelers are no less of a joke!

Donald posts

If sydney footpaths are to narrow for shared use what are Brisbane footpaths? Every footpath in Queensland is shared (unless otherwise signed) so this has far more to do with rude people then the infrastructure.

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I keep reading about how low the accidents between bike riders and pedestrians are, not to mention the amount of damage caused to other vehicles, this is only because there is no way of identifying them so victims don't bother lodging official complaints. I'm on the road a great deal and throughout all of the CBD and the Eastern Suburbs bicycle riders do not stop at red lights, do not give way to pedestrians, cut off trucks, buses, cars on an every day constant basis. In front of the Waverley bus depot, just to mention one spot. Bicycle riders come shooting across York Rd down past the bus stop on Oxford St. Now to date in the past 12 months I've been witness to these morons colliding with elderly people 2 of them to my knowledge have ended up with very serious injuries many just knocked over, arguments with women where they have just missed their pram, not once do they stop to own up to their disgraceful behaviour and blatant disregard for the rules. If a car or a motor bike hits someone and takes off, there is a police investigation and they quickly apprehend the culprit. With bicycle riders, the answer people receive when they do complain to either council or police is - Oh, what can we do? - Well please remember people that if you are hurt, then you can claim through a government body called - VICTIMS COMPENSATION TRIBUNAL. And if enough claims are lodged then we might see some action. All we want is an easerly visible number plate, to hold these delinquents accountable, the same as all other vehicles using the road. Right now as the situation stands if you challenge these riders for what ever reason, you are lucky if they just tell you to F........ Off!! A lot of times they will damage you vehicle and take off. Why not, who's going to catch them.

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